Sex Offender Looking to Rent - Posted by bill

Posted by MatthewC on October 23, 2005 at 12:38:29:

What I monitor is accuracy of posts. RK is a human being with his own flaws and imperfections. But if people are going to point those out, they should be accurate, not based on hearsay. I happen to have interacted with RK on a personal level and the RichDad group BEFORE they got big. So I probably know a few things the general public doesn’t.

Regarding Thomas Stanley, I cannot even remember the last time I even mentioned Stanley. You must have a long memory.

And regarding “veneration”, it would be like me publicly saying derogatory things about people who CREONLINE has sponsored. I have no right to publicly trash a sponsored person on this board. Just like it is a bit ridiculous for me to sit idly by and let people trash people I am friends or friendly with.

I mean really, would you let me come to your house and speak badly of your friends whether it was true or not? Probably not, you would probably throw me out of your house.

And me being ass-backwards, I have been accused of worse. :slight_smile: Heck, I have never been accused of being normal or conventional, that is for sure. I definitely catch your drift.

You can criticize me and disagree with me but just do it in a nice, respectful way like you did without the name-calling. :wink:

Sex Offender Looking to Rent - Posted by bill

Posted by bill on October 22, 2005 at 14:37:31:

I have a vacant duplex and someone filled out an application to rent which everything appears O.K. except for he has in the past been convicted of molesting boys (pre and post teens as I understand it). I am afraid to rent to this person since I fear that even though he states that he will not bother anyone anymore that he might molest some child in the neighborhood and I might be sued for renting to him/
What is the legal aspect of this? Can I just tell him that I don’t want him because of his past? Has this ever happened to anyone that has rentals? This is my first time and hope my last.

Re: Sex Offender Looking to Rent - Posted by Jim FL

Posted by Jim FL on October 23, 2005 at 23:14:00:

bill,
I’ve thought about this situation, and thankfully not had to deal with it ‘yet’.

Because in our state, there seems to be an abundance of these sick muther you know whaters, and within YARDS of my home, there are three, as well as all the publicity about them on the news in our state…I digress…
I do check our local registry when people apply for rentals or rent to own properties with me.
Especially if the property is a multi unit of some sort.
I will not rent to sex offenders, period, and would have no bones about telling them so.
I’d explain first that I was thinking about my business.
My properties are ALL the type that are occupied by families, or near families.
That group of population is my bread and butter.

IF I rented to a sex offender, especially in a duplex situation, surely that would limit my potential tenant pool by a large number.
What family with children, or even without, would want to live near, or worse yet, next to a sex offender?
I would not.
So, my units would sit vacant longer, and frankly, the value of them would go down, as far as what I could charge in payments per month. (rent).
I refuse to hurt my bottom line just to rent to someone who in the past was convicted of a sex offense of any sort, whether they had completed their sentence or not.
So, in your shoes, just tell the guy you do not rent to convicted sex offenders, and if pushed for a reason, tell them why?

Their past repugnant behavior could very well hurt your bottom line/income, and that is not an option.
Wish them luck, and keep marketing for decent tenants.

Good luck,
Jim FL

Here’s the simple answer - Posted by Brad Crouch

Posted by Brad Crouch on October 23, 2005 at 19:40:43:

Bill,

My opinion is that a sex offender cannot be rehabilitated. Ever! It
doesn’t matter what they say or how sorry they are for the things they
have done.

I am mindful that everyone has to live somewhere, and I think that sex
offenders should be locked up for life . . . without the possibility of
parole. That would get them out of society and eliminate the need for
discussions of this type.

I know that will seem distasteful to all the bleeding heart liberals, but
until they have had personal experience with one of their loved ones
being victimized by one of these people, they really don’t know what
they’re talking about.

I would personally like to see sex offenders be eradicated like they
deserve, but I know that’s not going to happen any time soon. I would
be satisfied for now if they all just received a life sentence. Then there
would be no discussions as to what is the “proper” way to treat these
people.

Brad

Forgive my ignorance, but I have some questions - Posted by Cappy-VA

Posted by Cappy-VA on October 23, 2005 at 07:46:51:

It should go without saying that I, like every other clear thinking human being, find any kind of sexual offense repugnant and unacceptable. That being said, I have several questions. If I understand this thread correctly, an owner can be held liable if they rent to a sexual offender and that sexual offender commits the crime again. If so, on what grounds? If someone were to SELL a house to one of these people, would the seller and realtor be held liable if they offended again? If one of these people have ?paid their debt to society? and now needs a place to live and can?t rent an apartment or buy a house, where are they supposed to live? Forgive my ignorance, but as far as I know, there aren?t any ?sex offender colonies? where these people can live together and violate each other, so I’m just curious how and where they are expected to live.

PS. I already thought about them living with relatives too, but I would assume the same liability would fall on their family were they to move in with them.

Re: Sex Offender Looking to Rent - Posted by Rob FL

Posted by Rob FL on October 22, 2005 at 18:32:21:

I put right on my application that if they are a sex offender or a convicted felon that they do not qualify as a tenant of mine.

Re: Sex Offender Looking to Rent - Posted by Sailor

Posted by Sailor on October 22, 2005 at 17:33:08:

I always check to see if prospective tenants are on the list of sexual predators, & would not, under any circumstances, rent to anyone on the list. To find your local list, Google “sexual predator list” + the name of your state.

Tye

Re: Sex Offender Looking to Rent - Posted by MatthewC

Posted by MatthewC on October 22, 2005 at 15:37:23:

I would not get specific. Just tell him, he did not fit the qualifications to rent your place.

If he has no steady employment, focus on that. If he had bad tenant history, focus on that. If he has no or few character references, focus on that. His income may not be high enough, his credit may not be the 700 score you “require”.

There are many legitimate places to focus on that he might not fit your qualifications. I would say away from mentioning the sex offenses to his face.

MatthewC

Re: Here’s the simple answer - Posted by Jack Meoff

Posted by Jack Meoff on October 23, 2005 at 23:49:02:

Casteration is the real answer. Especially if they keep letting them out.

They have to live somewhere…not in Des Moines - Posted by IA Jeff

Posted by IA Jeff on October 23, 2005 at 20:01:38:

The problem was just soved in the city of Des Moines.

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051011/NEWS05/510110371/1001/NEWS

D.M. pushes out sex offenders
The City Council says it’s reacting to a state law on that restricts where some sex offenders can live.

By JASON CLAYWORTH
REGISTER STAFF WRITER

October 11, 2005

The problem of where child molesters may live shifted from Des Moines to its suburbs Monday as capital city officials banned the sex offenders from virtually every area of the city. Suburban maps show many residential areas where they can live legally.

The Des Moines City Council on Monday approved an ordinance that adds parks, swimming pools, libraries and recreational trails to the state law that bans convicted pedophiles from living within 2,000 feet of schools and licensed child-care centers.

The ordinance essentially eliminated places for people to live in Des Moines if they have been convicted of a sex offense with a minor.

The vote could prompt roughly 300 child molesters to seek homes in areas such as West Des Moines, Ankeny, Clive and unincorporated Polk County, which are not covered by the city’s ordinance.

Nancy Foreman lives in the 7000 block of Rocklyn Circle in Urbandale, an area where child sex offenders may legally live. Foreman has two young grandchildren who occasionally visit her home. She wants her elected officials to create buffer zones in the entire city to protect her family, too.

“There are small children in this neighborhood, and I certainly wouldn’t appreciate having a sex offender across the street,” Foreman said.

Janet Loomis lives on Easter Lake Drive in Des Moines ? one of the few areas where sex offenders could legally live until the Des Moines council’s action on Monday.

“I don’t know where they’re going to live, but I guess they should have thought of that before they did what they did,” she said. “We don’t want them living by us.”

A representative with the Iowa League of Cities said he expects more cities to follow with similar blanket ordinances as residents realize that sex offenders can move to their neighborhoods. New maps prepared by police departments in Des Moines suburbs show pockets where child molesters could live.

Police departments are responding to a 2002 state law that went into effect last month after a three-year court battle. The law states that sex offenders whose victims were minors cannot live within 2,000 feet of a school or child-care center.

Des Moines leaders said the law had the effect of turning an area near Easter Lake, parts of downtown and an area commonly known as the Southeast Bottoms into “sex criminal districts,” because they were the only spots not covered by the state law.

Councilman Archie Brooks, who represents many of those neighborhoods, proposed an ordinance last month to add parks, swimming pools, libraries and recreational trails to the 2,000-foot restriction.

“I’m not going to have three areas punished,” Brooks said then, adding that sex offenders “might have to move to the suburbs.”

Despite unanimously approving the ordinance, Des Moines council members expressed reservations.

“The whole thing is crazy,” said Councilman Tom Vlassis. The state law does little to protect children, and the city is simply reacting to that law, he said.

“The sad thing is that an offender could stand on a sidewalk in front of a school and wave at the kiddies all day, and we can’t do anything about that,” Vlassis said. “You have to wonder what we’re doing.”

West Des Moines Mayor Gene Meyer, who also is head of the state Division of Criminal Investigation, said Monday that elected officials and police from his city have not yet discussed a local response to the sex offender residency law. Information posted by the city’s police department shows that child sex offenders may live near Jordan Creek Town Center and near other, heavily populated areas on the city’s south side.

“I think as the law has taken effect, the impact is being recognized,” Meyer said.

Des Moines police said they will begin to enforce the new city ordinance this month. The state law and city ordinance do not apply to molesters who have lived in the same residence since before 2002 or those who lived at an address before a school or child-care center opened nearby. Tom Bredeweg, executive director of the Iowa League of Cities, said his group has been contacted by about a dozen cities that plan to enact ordinances similar to Des Moines’. The interest could grow.

Garrison and the city of Ely have already approved similar ordinances. Bredeweg’s group does not support or oppose the ordinances, but he said he anticipates they will be challenged in court.

“I don’t know where this will end up,” Bredeweg said.

Des Moines Councilwoman Christine Hensley said the state’s law gave her city little choice but to enact the ordinance.

“I see this as a short-term solution for the citizens of Des Moines,” Hensley said. “This is an issue that needs to be revisited by the Legislature.”

The lawmaker who wrote the state’s offender residency bill said last month that he is open to revisit the legislation “if law enforcement comes back and says it’s unworkable.”

State Sen. Jerry Behn, a Boone Republican, said he had no particular distance in mind when he wrote the legislation. Instead, he simply copied the 2,000-foot boundary from a similar Alabama law.

“Typically, in the legislative process, things get whittled down,” Behn said. “In this particular case, it never was.”

Re: Forgive my ignorance, but I have - Posted by Rob FL

Posted by Rob FL on October 23, 2005 at 11:44:40:

It is more of a business decision than anything else. Somebody has already shown that they are trouble by having an offense on their record. I would not 100% rule them out as a tenant, but I would want a heck of a good explanation and many years of clean record before they rent from me.

Re: Forgive my ignorance, but I - Posted by Brian (UT)

Posted by Brian (UT) on October 23, 2005 at 10:57:13:

Cappy

As a landlord and as a Realtor I would never knowingly rent or sell to those people, yes “those” people, With the clients I’ve had in law enforcement and the social fields I know that they are one of the highest repeat offender catagories.

Even though their is no specific law that could be used to give me liability I know that it is highly likely they will commit the offense again, and therefore I have to assume they will. The problem is
they were finally caught so now it is more of a chance that they will eliminate the witness the next time. All you have to do is follow the news for any length of time and case after case will appear.

Now in this country anybody can sue for anything, and you have to pay to defend yourself, responsible or not. If I knowly rent to a known sex offender and he violates and kills the neighbors 6 year old daughter, don’t you think the parents will find a good lawyer to sue me on the grounds that I brought this menance into the neighborhood knowing that there was a good chance of this happening, and that I didn’t warn the neighbors, and I did warn the neighbors then the sex offender will find some bleeding heart lawyer to sue me on invasion of privacy or whatever. Even if I did escape legal liability, there would be now escaping the guilt I would feel for putting a wolf among the sheep.

As for those people having paid their debt to society, bull, they paid some debt for the offense they were convicted of, but they are often not first time offenders, just first time caught. I also know there are many people on the lists that really don’t belong there, they aren’t predatory, just a flaw in the law puts them there, but when I look at a list I can’t tell the deserving from the scum.

Brian

Re: Forgive my ignorance, but I have some… - Posted by John Sheridan

Posted by John Sheridan on October 23, 2005 at 10:24:25:

Your comments are pointing out part of what is a greater problem. The problem is not just with sex offenders but with any criminal. When you fill out a job application, one of the questions usually is “Have you ever been convicted of a felony?”. When an ex-felon checks “yes”, as they must (this is after all something that the employer can easily verify) then they receive an immediate “Sorry we don’t have anything available for you” response.

So if an ex-felon can’t get a job, what can they do but go straight back to crime?

Similarly, it has been theorized that at least some sex offenders became that way because they never had a meaningful relationship with another adult. If they could find one, maybe this would help them to straighten out. But - who is going to enter a relationship with a sex offender?

Unfortunately, in our society one can dig themselves into a pit that seems to be impossible to get out of.

I don’t know what the answer is, if there is one.

Forgive my ignorance, but I have some questions - Posted by Skip

Posted by Skip on October 23, 2005 at 08:50:52:

Cappy,

I think what the most people are saying is that as a busisness decision it’s something you should avoid.

Regarding potential lawsuits: I think the law is designed for others to know that a convicted sex offender is living near-by.

If a landlord can be successfully sued for renting to a registered sex offender then something is really wrong with our country.

Before anyone flames me, I’d like to say that I’m just as disgusted by sex offenders as anyone else. I’m just saying (although I’m not a lawyer) that I don’t think the intent of the law is to dissuade all landlords from renting to registered sex offenders, because after all they have to live somewhere.

Re: Liability - Posted by Sailor

Posted by Sailor on October 23, 2005 at 08:35:55:

There is no happy solution, as to the best of my knowledge, there is no cure. The vast majority of predators w/strike again & again. This is a societal problem, (real solutions would include both prevention & containment) that a single landlord cannot solve. I cannot answer your legal questions, but do know that a landlord who knowingly rents to a tenant who poses a risk to others can be deemed liable. I check both male & female applicant tenants on the sexual predator list. I have also learned to check w/other tenants, as this is a small county, & if a tenant has a problem in his/her background, folks know about it. Careful tenant selection reduces future problems, but I also have specific written rules about domestic violence, excess drinking, & drug abuse. I have a tenant whose grandson punched his own wife in the grandfather’s house. The grandson is now persona non grata in my MHP, & is only allowed in for short periods to assist his grandfather, who is in ill health. He can come in to give his grandad a ride to church, but he can’t hang out. I also warn each new tenant that I have ZERO TOLERANCE for drugs, letting them know that yes, that includes marijuana. I can’t stop it completely, but it doesn’t hurt for me to maintain a presence, even though I do not reside in the MHP.

Tye

Re: Sex Offender Looking to Rent - Posted by michaela-ATL

Posted by michaela-ATL on October 22, 2005 at 18:08:15:

Tye,

For the lat 20 min. I’ve tried to find a ‘sexual predator list’ in Georgia, that is free.It seems that every link ends up at the same website, which charges $ 10.
This should be free information.

Michaela

Re: Sex Offender Looking to Rent - Posted by Mike-OH

Posted by Mike-OH on October 22, 2005 at 18:08:12:

I disagree. Just tell the guy that you don’t rent to sex offenders! Sex offenders are not a protected class and you can refuse to rent to them all day long - also true of any other criminals.

Mike

Re: Sex Offender Looking to Rent - Posted by kevin m Connolly

Posted by kevin m Connolly on October 22, 2005 at 15:58:46:

I agree with stay away from his past but do not rent to him. There is a very high rate of repeat offenses in this area.

Re: Sex Offender Looking to Rent - Posted by Sailor

Posted by Sailor on October 22, 2005 at 20:33:44:

Try this:

http://www.ganet.org/gbi/disclaim.html

However, note the dates on the database–

Tye

Never mind… - Posted by michaela-ATL

Posted by michaela-ATL on October 22, 2005 at 18:16:56:

Here’s a link to every state’s list

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/states.htm

Michaela