Usually on the Co Sheriff’s Site n/t - Posted by JT-IN
Posted by JT-IN on October 22, 2005 at 18:16:30:
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Re: Sex Offender Looking to Rent - Posted by MatthewC
Posted by MatthewC on October 22, 2005 at 20:04:38:
I see no point in going out of my way to offend someone necessarily. I don’t like to provoke or antagonize someone unnecessarily. In this case, diplomacy is the easy way out with no stress.
MatthewC
Re: Sex Offender Looking to Rent - Posted by Mike-OH
Posted by Mike-OH on October 22, 2005 at 21:10:24:
Matthew,
It’s not going out of your way to offend someone to tell the truth. If you’re looking for a no-stress career, I’d steer away from being a landlord! Maybe Yoga Instructor?
Good Luck,
Mike
Re: Sex Offender needs the truth - Posted by IA Jeff
Posted by IA Jeff on October 22, 2005 at 21:08:18:
I agree in not going out of your way to offend the criminal, but be very clear as to why you are not renting to him if asked. Do not tell him it is something it is not. You shouldn’t tell him it is because of his lack of a 700 score unless it is true…especially when a fine, non-criminal with a 670 score walks through your door and you rent to them.
Our company policy states that we don’t rent to child molestors. I would tell him he didn’t qualify and leave it at that. He’ll probably know why, but if pressed, I’d tell him of the policy that he didn’t qualify under. Easier to start that child molester policy now than a bogus credit score policy.
Molesting pre-teen boys, now THAT is offensive!
good luck, Jeff
What’s the problem? - Posted by MatthewC
Posted by MatthewC on October 22, 2005 at 22:45:18:
I don’t know what your problem is but I can assure you I can take a sledgehammer and use it to hammer someone when I need to. I have no guilt or issues if I need to, to get the results I want.
The issue at hand was how to handle a child molester that is a criminal. If it is in your nature to provoke criminals for no reason, go right ahead.
It has nothing to do with facing fear, it is called being smart and handling the problem with the least amount of drama.
I am interested in making profits, not creating unnecessary conflicts. I send people to collections, garnish, evict, and whatever is appropriate. Heck, I even worked up the nerve to file a police report. Imagine that.
I simply come from the school, diplomacy and respect first, then I pull out the big guns if necessary.
But it would appear I am on a “lucky streak” for half a decade now. Good thing you are offering your luck to me because my “lucky tank” was near empty.
And if you want to get critical about my approach, let me give you something else to get your teeth on with my “yoga landlord” approach …
We rarely evict anymore. We have our tenants move out swiftly by signing releases. No waiting 2-3 weeks, no court costs, no sitting around paying a mortgage waiting for the court dates. Last time I checked, the courthouse line remains long from other landlords who have not figured out that you can have your cake and eat it too with non-paying tenants.
Oh, and after they leave, we can still sue them, get a judgement, and garnish them as necessary. But you know what, we find ways of collecting even then without the court system.
But of course, my being a “yoga landlord” looking for a no-stress career, I am pretty sure you see no merits to my approach. But then again, I wasn’t offering the information to you since you prefer a “high-stress” adversarial approach. And I am sure it does not matter to you, but I have written a couple of books on the subject. But I know that won’t matter since we are only discussing “street smarts”.
Oh, did I mention I started doing leases and writing business letters to tenants since I was 15 for my family’s rental properties? Of course, that might not count for anything seeing I was only a minor and couldn’t possibly learn anything at that age.
And in case it matters, my respectable size portfolio does perform and it generates spendable cash where investors place their money with me. Perhaps I need more luck from you to keep that “lucky streak” going.
Presumably, you have a respectable size portfolio and a great management system to sledgehammer every applicant/tenant that comes through. If you have a book based on real-life experiences like my partner and I do, I would be interested in reading how successful you are with your approach.
MatthewC
“The Yoga Landlord”
Re: Sex Offender needs the truth - Posted by Kristine-CA
Posted by Kristine-CA on October 23, 2005 at 13:28:21:
Jeff: regarding your company policy:
Do you mind sharing the language of the policy? Does it actually refer
to “child molestors” or to convicted and/or registered sex offenders?
The reason I ask is that here in CA sex offenders are all lumped
together and required to be registered (with some exceptions)–many
were not convicted of crimes involving children. Those convicted of
rape and all other kinds of sexual offenses are required to
register.
This thread was very disturbing. We are all living among convicted
felons. But only sex offenders are registered. There are over 30
registered offenders within a mile of my house–a mostly SFH area
where the median home price is over 750K. There are at least 6 within
blocks of here. It’s disturbing not so much because I fear for myself or
my children. But I do worry about how far this kind of identification
can go. Here in CA the offenders pictures and identifying information
are on the state website.
That being said, I’m curious how we decide to discriminate. I don’t
mean this in an inflammatory way–we have to run our business the
best way we see fit and we all have our own risk levels. So is it child
molesters you wouldn’t rent to? Or all sex offenders? What if all
crimes were registered?
Kristine
Of course tell the truth… - Posted by MatthewC
Posted by MatthewC on October 22, 2005 at 22:53:46:
I never said to create a story. I said to find something else valid to disqualify the person.
I never said to create something that did not exist but most professionals have a screening process/criteria. That includes many elements.
Personally, I have no dog in the fight how people want to do things. Someone asked, I answered.
I did not realize that as a free volunteer, I had to write a complete article covering all the legal nuances, the pros and cons, and the like vs. trying to give a short, direct answer.
If that is the case, then everyone needs to solve their own problems or start paying for help vs. getting free advice from this forum.
But last time I checked, no one has deleted my messages for giving inappropriate answers.
MatthewC
Re: Sex Offender needs the truth - Posted by Mike-OH
Posted by Mike-OH on October 24, 2005 at 09:59:28:
Kristine,
I agree with you 100% that we should not be focusing solely on child molestors or sex offenders. I won’t accept ANYONE who has a serious criminal history - especially a recent criminal history without there being something to balance the risk - like a HUGH deposit. Sex offenders, drug dealers, addicts, thieves, and wife-beaters won’t be renting from us - PERIOD! The risk is just too great AND these people are destroying our society. Who needs them?
Mike
Re: Sex Offender needs the truth - Posted by IA Jeff
Posted by IA Jeff on October 23, 2005 at 20:41:52:
Hi Kristine,
My company policy goes something like this when handing the prospective tenant an application:
…“We do a credit check and a criminal history check…we don’t rent to child molestors or rapists…(smile)…etc…etc…”
While our policy is clear, it is not in writing yet…as it should be. We have been landlords for 5 years and have not ever had an offender turn in an application.
I posted above about what the city of Des Moines is doing about sex offenders (my city is considering it).
Jeff
P.S. Thanks for posting all that you post on this forum, it is very helpful.
Sometimes its Stupid to tell the truth - Posted by anti_PC_cop
Posted by anti_PC_cop on October 23, 2005 at 08:02:52:
Mike-OH ,I understand the expediency and strightforwardness of telling a potential tenant exactly why you rejected them. For example telling the sex offender (in this case) that you are reecting him because they are a sex offender.
But that the WISE thing to do? Sometimes you could get more than you bargained for by naively “shooting straight”. Sometimes it may be in your best interest to manage people more artfully (or more diplomatically if you wanna use that word). The smart thing is to extricate that sex offender from your hair with the least drama, provocation and such. Telling him that you will not rent to him because he is a sex offender may or may not provoke something you may not want to deal with. I think MatthewC gave us a very wise way out of this. Where you have various reasons why the person is not qualified for the apartment, why shoot him down with the one reason that may spark a chain of events that neither he nor you may be able to control? A smart business person would avoid such unnecessaries…You want to move on to your next deal without having to deal with drama from this sex offender! It will require some wisdom, some diplomacy for you to acheive that in this case, so the sex offender can go his way and you can go yours.
I think perhaps you are one of those people who believe that one should always tell the truth at all times and under all cuircumstances. Well, that sounds very right and very politically correct. Your Sunday school teacher would be proud of you if you lived that way, but I belive only a fool or a totally insensitive and callous person would carry on like that. Sometimes the smart/wise thing to do is to withold the truth, or present it in a certain way, or delay it, or tell it in phases etc (I know, shock!!! OMG!!! OMG!!!). Blindly telling a sex offender that you do not want to rent to him because he is a sex offender may be the truth, but could be really foolish, and could cause you more regrets than you can imagine.
Have you not heard of the landlord whose house was burned to the ground because he told a drug dealer he would not rent to him “because he is a drug dealer”; or the lawyer who was shot dead in his own office because he used the wrong words in refusing to take on a new client. Ironic thing is the lawyer turned the “client” down over the telephone, but this “client” felt so whatever that he travelled to the lawyers office and shot the lawyer dead in his own office. Some “clients”, sexoffenders, drugdealers, etc are somtimes mentally unbalanced and when you run into them, try to extricate yourself from them with the least drama. Dont try to be a Weisenhammer. You may not like what could happen.
Re: Of course tell the truth… - Posted by Mike-OH
Posted by Mike-OH on October 23, 2005 at 06:21:26:
Matthew,
Wow, you sure took this personally! Maybe you’re taking out your tenant frustrations on us here.
No-one has their posts deleted for giving bad information, so I woudn’t take too much comfort in your posts not being deleted.
If you are an experienced investor, then you should know that there are a multitude of reasons (both legal and ethical) to tell the truth when dealing with tenants instead of finding another valid reason to deny the applicant. If you’re denying them because of their criminal history, then say so and keep a written record of that fact. I didn’t say to be confrontational or start a fight with the criminal - that would be ridiculous. Simply say that they aren’t being accepted because your company doesn’t won’t approve sex offenders. Nothing confrontational there.
I hate to break this to you, but there area a million real estate books and courses out there. Some offer good advice and some don’t. So, the mere fact that you’ve written a book doesn’t overly impress me.
In my experience, your approach to dealing with tenants is flawed and I wouldn’t use it. However, everyone is free to do as they please and I wish you good luck.
Mike
Re: Sometimes its Stupid to tell the truth - Posted by Larry in Florida
Posted by Larry in Florida on October 23, 2005 at 13:14:30:
I am constantly amazed at how many reasons we can come up with to not tell the truth in uncomfortable situations. And then we wonder why our society continues to deteriorate!
Re: Sometimes its Stupid to tell the truth - Posted by MatthewC
Posted by MatthewC on October 23, 2005 at 12:44:05:
Hey, thanks for speaking up and seeing the point I am trying to make.
I am not too upset with the “experienced” guys disagreeing because whether we agree or not, they appear to have a functional portfolio.
It is the new guy that may want more than one option of handling tenants.
I was beginning to feel like I was the lone soldier that understood the point of my appraoch. But I am not that “heroic”, I was going to retreat silently before too long.
After all, I don’t want this thread being pushed all the way to the right where you cant even see the subject line anymore. 
Re: Of course tell the truth… - Posted by MatthewC
Posted by MatthewC on October 23, 2005 at 12:22:58:
Mike,
When you said I should be a “Yoga Instructor”, I took it to mean you thought I had “no teeth”. So I showed some teeth in the post when I PERCEIVED the comment as a personal insult.
In any case, I know that people get hardened in this business. I am no different. However, what I figured out is that I take the EMOTION out of it by getting robotic and cold about it. I act like I am sympathetic to the tenants, when in reality I just want my property back ASAP.
Believe me, the vindictive side of me WANTS to evict them, you know why? Because it will show up on their record. But I always have to calm down and say, “what is better for me”?
Fighting the fight and draw it out? Or get it over with (if possible) and have them get the heck out.
In any case, this conversation has way deviated from the original track. I don’t have much else to say. To each their own.
MatthewC
Re: Of course tell the truth… - Posted by John Sheridan
Posted by John Sheridan on October 23, 2005 at 11:07:58:
Quote: “Wow, you sure took this personally! Maybe you’re taking out your tenant frustrations on us here.”
Mike-OH, just so you know who you are dealing with - this MatthewC runs his own forum where people like Robert Kiyosaki are venerated as gurus. Anyone who makes a post that is critical of the great RK is sternly told to “take their negativity to another forum, it’s not welcome here” or words to that effect. He is also highly critical of Stanley’s excellent book “The Millionaire Next Door”. All completely bass-ackwards of course, if you catch my drift…
Re: Of course tell the truth… - Posted by Mike-OH
Posted by Mike-OH on October 24, 2005 at 08:41:24:
Hi John,
I guess that I have something in common with MatthewC after all. I really like Robert Kiyosaki’s books and thought they were good reading and quite informative. However, the difference that I have with MatthewC is that his advice seems to be coming from some pacifist agenda, which in a perfect world might just work. In a perfect world, we could just all work out our differences and then have a group hug. Unfortunately, in my real world of tenants and tenant applicants, what he is suggesting just doesn’t work. It might make for a good book or seminar, but it doesn’t ring true to me. Every time - EVERY TIME that I’ve tried to do something nice for the tenants or tried to sugar coat the truth for tenant applicants - I’ve been burned.
Just my .02
Mike
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