Really cheap houses! - Posted by Stefen

Posted by GL(ON) on October 03, 2002 at 16:16:20:

Even better: Fly to Canada, buy a truck cheap, load it with cabinets and drive home.

American dealers buy used trucks in wholesale lots all the time. I can’t buy a used late model truck from my local small town Chev dealer, he saves his trade ins for American dealers who buy them 20 at a time and ship them home by car hauler. Yes they make money on it, the Can dollar is what, 64 cents US?

So go ahead and save some money on cabinets, and get a good truck cheap, or sell the truck for a good profit when you get home.

Really cheap houses! - Posted by Stefen

Posted by Stefen on September 28, 2002 at 17:15:52:

I found some deals in a town where newer 5 bedroom houses are going for (get this) $5000-15000. The town is becoming a ghost town due to economic strife. I was just wondering if anyone knew of ways to profit off of these houses that no one wants.

Re: Really cheap houses! - Where? - Posted by Tim Fierro (Tacoma, WA)

Posted by Tim Fierro (Tacoma, WA) on September 30, 2002 at 20:08:34:

Ok, I read the thread, but you haven’t disclosed where this is at.

  1. What city/state/country?
  2. What is the average age of these ‘newer’ homes?
  3. What was FMV before the ‘economic strife’?

Care to follow up on your post?

Re: Really cheap houses! - Posted by Ronald * Starr(in No CA)

Posted by Ronald * Starr(in No CA) on September 29, 2002 at 18:28:16:

Shefen-----------------

I agree with GL(ON).

There is a little town in NW Nebraska–Chadron–that has a small state college but the main business was repair of railroad locomotives and perhaps rolling stock. The railroad was sold out to another railroad and they closed the shops. The executives moved out of town. Houses that were selling for $75K dropped down to about $45K with few takers. They were mostly being sold by the banks that were foreclosing on them. Then the town bounced back. The college enrollment went up significantly and Deadwood, SD, allowed gamblings, so there were casinos opened. The main road from the south to Deadwood goes right through Chadron. So travelers go through, buy gas, eat at the restaurants, and buy stuff.

Prices on the houses went back up.

But, recognize that every small town and county–in the USA, anyway–seems to have chamber of commerce or a local economic development counsel or commission. They are all looking to enhance the local economy. They thus compete for businesses and residences. The can’t all win. Especially with well-paying manufacturing jobs declining–in the USA, anyway. So, if you hear talk and rumors about efforts to develop your area, be skeptical. Try to find out what the chances for change really are. What at the local employers? Is there some chance for them to be growing in the near future?

I’ll bet that you will find that the major employers are not even private industry but are government activities: education and health-care mainly. With the population shriking there is little chance that the governmental agencies will be growing.

So look at the private sector. What are the changes to be expected there? Sometimes these changes can come from a strange source. One of the major employers near Portland, OR, is Nike. Who would have thought that those University of Oregon track team members would have such an impact on OR? I was at the U of O in the early '60s and heard about jogging long before most people in the USofA did. But I would never have projected a huge business based on running shoes, initially, at least.

So, be aware if there are any small businesses with potential to grow big in the next few years. Find out what businesses are projected by the national government to grow the most in the next decade or so in Canada, then see if they are over-represented in your area. If not, probably not going to see much improvement in the situation.

Here in the USA there are some parts of the “great plains” that are losing population. There are even some academics proposing the the government relocate everybody out of some of the areas and adbandon them to nature. Maybe that is what will happen where you are.

Do you suppose you could advertise here in part of the USA with high-priced for young people to move there? They would have to have some way to support themselves without relying on the local economy. Maybe computer programmers, authors, consultants, who?

Good InvestingRon Starr****

Re: Really cheap houses! - Posted by GL(ON)

Posted by GL(ON) on September 28, 2002 at 21:37:00:

Where are you, Saskatchewan? I heard small towns out there have been dying on the vine for years.

There are 2 questions you must answer.

#1. Is the problem chronic or acute? In other words is your town going to go down hill until it turns into a ghost town, or is the local economy going to revive?

If the town is dying, get out. If it is going to revive, you are sitting pretty.

#2. Can you rent houses for enough to carry the payments and expenses?

If you can rent them, and they will at least carry themselves, all you have to do is buy up a bunch of them and wait for prices to come back and you can clean up a fortune.

Where in Canada is this town? - Posted by David Krulac

Posted by David Krulac on September 28, 2002 at 20:26:09:

Stefen Reid,

Sometimes it can be just too hard, or on the other hand when everybody else is bailing, you use your creativity to see something that everybody is ignoring.

I know a coal mining town that has been declining for at least 50 years. No new houses built, young people leave because there are no jobs. The only people left are retired people. Over 50% of the population is retired. it is a town in decline, but 50 years later its still there, and still declining.

David Krulac
Central Pennsylvania

Plan F - Posted by Potash

Posted by Potash on September 28, 2002 at 18:20:24:

I Don’t believe you. I have seen real ghost towns (rural, non war zone). Small, old houses there sell for more than $25,000. It is a good place for people to retire to. But if your tall tale where true, you could buy a couple houses and implement plan F.

Re: Really cheap houses! - Posted by Bruce

Posted by Bruce on September 28, 2002 at 17:41:50:

In my area there are companies that do “heavy hauling”. That’s what they call putting a house on a flatbed trailer and moving it to another location. They charge by the mile and they are experts at it.
I have also seen houses on barges on the waterways.

Another idea is to buy up the whole area and make it into a special stopping place where the whole town is geared for sales of unique items, rides, restaurant,
shows, etc. that a family would really want to stop for an hour or two to see while traveling. It requires posting billboards on the main highways to draw the people to your special area.

Re: Where in Canada is this town? - Posted by Mark-WV

Posted by Mark-WV on September 29, 2002 at 10:16:04:

David.
There is some like that here also. Keystone comes to mind first off, No work, small coal camp houses,bank president just sent to prison for fraud, saturday entertainment consists of going to all the auctions. Homes sell 2/1 frames as low as 2,000 top out at 15k rent is 100 a month if you can find someone that wants to live there !!

Re: Plan F - Posted by Tim (ME)

Posted by Tim (ME) on September 28, 2002 at 21:01:18:

You just assume he’s lying? I’ve seen areas like this myself. Upstate New York has some areas where houses are $5-10k. Of course rents are low as well.

Should I ask what Plan F is?

Tim (ME)

One option is to… - Posted by David Krulac

Posted by David Krulac on September 29, 2002 at 17:02:29:

rent section 8, or some other renter not tied to the bleak employment picture.

yeah, but … - Posted by Redline

Posted by Redline on September 29, 2002 at 15:45:42:

he said NEW houses selling for $5k-$15k. I’d have to agree that’s a little hard to believe. Why would ANYONE build ANYTHING in this area?

RL

Re: Plan F - Posted by jeff

Posted by jeff on September 29, 2002 at 06:58:19:

i was wondernig the same thing. what in the world is plan F?

Re: One option is to… - Posted by Nate(DC)

Posted by Nate(DC) on September 29, 2002 at 21:56:16:

Excellent idea, the Section 8 rent in McDowell county is $379 for a 2BR, or $487 for a 3BR. If you bought for $2,000 that $379/mo rent looks pretty darn good!

NT

Re: yeah, but … - Posted by jeff

Posted by jeff on September 29, 2002 at 16:00:33:

i had the same thoughts here also, the material used to build the house will cost about 2-3 times as much as that (unless its a shack of course). how can somone build a new home for 50K then have its value at 15K? im sure the price of wood snt too much different than it is in any other area.

That’s Potash… - Posted by Ben (NJ)

Posted by Ben (NJ) on September 29, 2002 at 08:26:00:

a puzzle inside a riddle wrapped up in an enigma! LOL

Re: One option is to… - Posted by Mark-WV

Posted by Mark-WV on October 04, 2002 at 17:52:56:

Yea Nate that is some great numbers ,the problem is there is no one to rent to even sec. 8. The housing market is at give away prices and there is no end in site in that area.
Pop has declined every year for the last 10 years, and people that are working are commuting 40-50 miles a day one way. These are the ones that I’m selling to and renting to in the Beckley area.
Mark

maybe… - Posted by michaela-ATL

Posted by michaela-ATL on September 29, 2002 at 17:09:49:

i should look ino buying my building material from there and importing it into the u.s.? with nafta, there’s no duty. might be worth for the next big job - lol
michaela

Re: That’s Potash… - Posted by Jeanne

Posted by Jeanne on October 01, 2002 at 14:04:31:

I thought that was Russia.

Jeanne

Re: One option is to… - Posted by Nate(DC)

Posted by Nate(DC) on October 05, 2002 at 09:24:43:

But if they’re on Section 8, they don’t need to work! :slight_smile:

I see your point though…

NT