yesterday's deal - Posted by Anne_ND

Posted by Anne_ND on January 07, 2003 at 15:32:09:

Thanks JT!

We’re pleased that this got resolved so much more easily than it might have.

And as to the guy-talk thing- in this case, whatever the payor’s reasons for his financial difficulties, he clearly felt more at ease discussing the resolution of the problem with another man. Maybe it’s because I was the person who always called to ask when we could expect his next payment… who knows? I’m just glad that one of us could get through to him.

It is a wonderful business, no question about that.

take care,
Anne

yesterday’s deal - Posted by Anne_ND

Posted by Anne_ND on January 07, 2003 at 10:54:30:

Just thought I’d post this, as after many months it has a happy ending for us.

20 months ago we bought a contract for deed on a little house. The CfD was worth about $18K with an interest rate of 7.75%, about 80 payments of $382 remaining. The house was in rough shape, and was worth about $25K, but the payor had made timely payments for 5+ years. We bought the CfD for about $14K, giving us a yield of about 20%, which at the time we were very happy about.

Within a few months the payor began struggling financially. We nursed him along (accepted late payments) for 14 months and then he left town in August, with a LOT of creditors snapping at his heels. We had no idea where he was or what was up. I had reason to suspect he had winterized the house, but we didn’t know. We attempted to find him to offer him some money to quit claim it to us, but no luck. We paid an attorney $1000 to begin the process of foreclosure, which is very long here- up to a year to regain possession and another year for the payor to come up with the funds if they wanted to buy it back.

Last week the payor called me out of the blue, told me he was working at a bible camp, and asked what we could do about the house. This payor is one of the few people we have met who has a real antipathy towards women, so I had my partner call him back. They did the guy-talk thing and the payor agreed to drive into town, give him the keys, sign the quit claim deed in exchange for $1000.

Currently our basis in the property is about $14K (includes money to payor, legal fees, back taxes owed, insurance), and it looks like it needs about $6K to make it habitable (he had winterized the house, but somehow water got in anyway and cracked the toilet bowl). The nice thing is, it would easily rent for $500/month, and we just found out last night that it includes the lot next door, which is buildable. Had forgotten that because before all we were concerned about was the cash flow from the contract. We’re buying up buildable lots in this part of town, so this is a nice bonus.

The best part is that the payor was extremely grateful to not have a foreclosure on his record, and kept thanking my partner over and over again (we agreed I shouldn’t be present). I’m glad this worked out well for him as well as for us, and I’m not missing the anxiety that the uncertainty about this property was causing me.

A lesson I learned from this deal: no matter how reliable a payor has been in the past, stuff happens, and they may not pay forever. We are taking steps to be in a stronger position financially should we have a few months of multiple vacancies, large repairs or should people stop paying on notes.

good luck,

Anne

That Guy-Talk thing… - Posted by JT-IN

Posted by JT-IN on January 07, 2003 at 12:06:51:

is not near as persuasive as this “Girl-Talk thing”, except when you are dealing with that rare bird who doesn’t appreciate the ladies…

Anne, I am glad to hear that you got this thing worked out, no matter who had to do the talking… LOL
Sounds as if you have a real winner on a couple of accounts, both cash-flow and the extra lot.

Maybe the Bible Camp wll help mend the emotions of the washed-out owner on the CFD as well. Sounds like a five-way win; win-win-win-win-win situation, when you add up the fact that:

  1. the CFD owner is gladly off the hook w/o a foreclosure
  2. you got the house back w/o great consternation
  3. you got an extra profit center with the extra lot
  4. someone else will get a good deal on the house
  5. and yet another person will have an opportunity to build a beautiful home on the lot

What a wonderful business… you endured the unpleasantries of a seemingly bad situation, but see it through to a successful end. Congrats Anne!

JT-IN