Posted by Houserookie on February 09, 2003 at 10:00:16:
>>>Show me a Martin Zweig, Benjamin Graham, Warren Buffett, Andrew Tobias book with such bullpoo prices.<<<<
Can I get one one help from these guys for $19.95? Do I get forms, software, and RE contracts too?
I’ll take a quarter pounder with large fries please. Stop being a freeloader and stop blaming everyone for your failures.
Just because you can’t make it in this business doesn’t mean others can’t.
who is john burley? - Posted by lawrence
Posted by lawrence on February 05, 2003 at 15:47:44:
can someone tell me any info about john burley and his boot camp? thanks.
Re: who is john burley? - Posted by Wes (DFW, TX)
Posted by Wes (DFW, TX) on February 06, 2003 at 09:08:22:
Hi Lawrence,
Based on the short time-frame of my research/education (almost 4 months now) as a “newbie”, I have chosen to follow John Burley’s “system”. I first learned of John Burley from reading the 2nd book in the “Rich Dad” series titled, “CASHFLOW Quadrant”. I know that stating “Rich Dad” and/or Robert Kiyosaki may turn some “off” and away from John Burley. But, please read on - I really believe John Burley is the “real deal”. In this book, Robert Kiyosaki says that John Burley is “…considered one of the brightest minds in the world of real estate.”. Check out his web site (http://www.johnburley.com/), you’ll see why he made that statement. He even has his own message boards (Discussion Forums) where you get great amounts of free advice from posters who are followers of his system, it is a wealth of information in itself.
John Burley has the “complete package” in a “system”, from what I’ve read about his and other REI gurus’ systems. Don’t get me wrong, many other REI gurus’ systems are very good too (like those on this site - of which John Burley is included - and many others), it’s just that he covers so much more than just a few real estate investing “niches”. He not only discusses the many real estate investing techniques available (not just a few niches), he also talks about:
It has been said of his primary training material, “…is the most successful Real Estate Training ever produced in the United States. The success rate of students attending this training is four times greater than the industry average. It was this training that led Robin Leach of Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous fame to proclaim John Burley as one of the Premier Investors in America.”.
I haven’t attended his “Boot Camp” - YET (my wife and I both plan on attending his next Boot Camp in May). You can read more details here: http://www.johnburley.com/adva.html.
Here is a “snippet” from his web site about what his Boot Camp has to offer: “…during my Advanced Investing Boot Camp I do a hands-on, go-out-in-the-field-and-make-it-happen training that is an experience of a lifetime. Students will be doing deals and making money. My guest instructors are top investors with impressive track records. Each day students will spend quality time in the field. Each student will have the opportunity to work ‘hands-on’ with field trainers.”.
…how’s that for “walking the talk”?!
Here are what a couple of individuals stated on his discussion forum, I think they both communicate how his system is the “complete package”:
“John’s Bootcamp is one of a kind. And it’s participatory and experiential. He brings in the best of the best to teach wraps, flips, foreclosures, buy and holds, negotiating, estate planning, entity structuring, tax law. Most of all he teaches the psychology of Level 5 investing. That’s his system. Making the change from the limited to the infinite. From tunnel vision to the abundant.”
“It became very clear to me during this tour that John’s seminars are not just about money management skills or real estate investing techniques. John is in the freedom business. He helps people understand the skills and psychology necessary to achieve their freedom from debt and their freedom from the rat race. People get excited about the personal freedom they can experience as they get their financial lives in order. It’s an amazing thing to see happen. Many of you have experienced that for yourselves.”
He seems to be a man of integrity - and that flows over into his “system” (many of the posts on his message boards speak of this as well, including comments from his last “Boot Camp” that was in October 2002). In fact, integrity is very much a part of being a “Level 5 Investor” (which includes real estate investors).
Most impressive!
Happy Investing,
Wes (DFW-TX)
Re: who is john burley? - Posted by Gil Barden
Posted by Gil Barden on February 06, 2003 at 07:40:30:
Hey Mike,
That is a great question. John is a friend of mine. I wish I could call him a better friend, but I had only met him a few months back. To be exact 10 months ago. He has showed me the proverbial ‘light’. He is awesome. He is outside your typical real estate ‘guru’ and I imagine most do not understand what he teaches.
He is focused on getting people financially independent through any investment vehicle they find reasonable. So, not only does he know RE, but very good on money management. Which, most people don’t have a clue including 90% of the RE investors on this board IMO.
So, I am a student of Johns, and I have built a business of 5 to 6 houses per month ‘wrapping’ and already have 25+ in my inventory.
Honestly, this HTML textarea box may only submit up to 65k characters and that is not clearly enough to define who John is.
In a sentence. Just an all around good dude.
Gil
Re: who is john burley? - Posted by mike
Posted by mike on February 05, 2003 at 22:40:58:
Couldn’t tell ya. Try http://www.johntreed.com/BSchecklist.html for some balance.
I see on his web site he refers to himself as “One of the Premier Investors in America” - you’d have to ask him why. The company he keeps (RK) is enough to make me steer clear. For some odd reason too many of his testimonials are from people on another continent.
For a guy that claims he’s retired he sure seems to be working mighty hard. IMO, his M.O./style appear no different from any other of the get-rich-quick-while-you-sleep gurus… $0.02
Mike
Re: who is john burley? - Posted by Theresa (WA)
Posted by Theresa (WA) on February 05, 2003 at 17:21:19:
Try:
Hope this helps.
Theresa
Re: who is john burley? - Posted by Marcus Black
Posted by Marcus Black on February 06, 2003 at 04:20:31:
Hi Mike,
John has a huge number of successful students around the world, mainly in the USA and Australia (where I am). I know many of these people personally, and just spent some time with one of his students in the US who has done 50-60 wraps and a number of flips. My mentor here in Australia has done a similar number of wraps, all after attending John’s events.
John is the real deal, and if you speak to anyone who’s been to his Boot Camp you’d realise that seminars are not what he does for a living - otherwise he’d be cramming in a couple more hundred people instead of limiting the numbers and making it an exceptional event every time.
Regards,
Marcus.
Re: who is john burley? - Posted by John Burley
Posted by John Burley on February 06, 2003 at 03:08:58:
Hi Mike,
Thank you for your response. Never actually claimed to be retired, Reed just made it up and said I did.
Have not done an event with RK (as you call him since 1998), not that there would not be a situation under the proper circumstances where I would not again.
The “Premier Investor” was done on a major TV show US.
As per the testimonials from other continents, I spend time there, teach there, and own businesses there. And I have Graduates there who have done extremely well.
And never in my life have I said or taught “GET RICH QUICK”.
Next time you criticize at least bother to have “some” facts.
As per the late hour of my response, I invest for a living, we bought 14 properties today.
Good Investing,
John Burley
Re: who is john burley? - Posted by mike
Posted by mike on February 07, 2003 at 01:39:32:
Hi John -
“Realizing at age 32, that he was in the
position to retire, John wanted to share his
knowledge with others. He began to create
products”
OK - so your web site only gives the impression you retired. If you post this on your web site but aren’t claiming to have actually retired, why mention it?
> And never in my life have I said or taught “GET
> RICH QUICK”.
And nowhere in my post did I say you did. Maybe you should read it sometime. What’s your point anyway - that neither of us said you said that?
> Next time you criticize at least bother to have
> “some” facts.
You know, a really smart person, a really clever person, a really intelligent and good-looking person would probably say at this point, “Well, isn’t that the kettle calling the pot black?”
I’m sorry the impression your style, your web site and your products portray are in conflict with what you want people to think but what can I say?
What I know about you I read off your web site (incl. your products.html page). What I see on your web site is the same hyped-up, carnival-barker, come-one-come-all-suckers crap any informercial guru would be proud to use (and in fact do use, ad nauseum). Maybe it’s a holdover from your marketing background - who knows? I don’t care who you are or how successful you are - just looking at your products/prices is enough to send me running in the other direction.
Or, maybe I’m all wet? Perhaps you’d care to tell me who the experts are that claim foreclosures are the best way to start a real estate career (“Make Fortunes in Foreclosures”)? Informercial gurus are the only ones I hear that from. Are those the experts?
Why is your suggestively titled book “Infinite Wealth” $300? Excuse for being a little confused on who’s getting infinitely wealthy. For such a successful person as you must be, why the bs price? Don’t tell me - you charge that much so that only the really really (really!) serious will buy it? Need to keep the tire-kickers out.
> As per the late hour of my response, I invest
> for a living, we bought 14 properties today.
What, are we comparing paychecks now? I stopped doing that by my third job out of high school…
Mike
You should get a clue… - Posted by MatthewC
Posted by MatthewC on February 09, 2003 at 24:30:03:
… before you speak. I happen to know far more about him personally than you both in business and private life.
There is no “book” for Infinite Wealth for $300. It is a tapeset of a $2,000 seminar event. It isn’t expensive only to someone who doesn’t see value such as you.
But let me guess, how large is your real estate portfolio? And if ur portfolio doesnt matter, why even bother with RE?
Re: who is john burley? - Posted by Houserookie
Posted by Houserookie on February 07, 2003 at 21:22:57:
Give the guy a break…what has he done wrong to have inspired such rude reponse from you?
btw…I’m looking for a teaching degree. Do you know where I can get one for $300?
To quote you,
“Don’t tell me - you charge that much so that only the really really
(really!) serious will buy it? Need to keep the tire-kickers out.”
You remind me of the deaf man that screams scam because he could’t hear.
Austin
Re: You should get a clue… - Posted by mike
Posted by mike on February 09, 2003 at 01:47:33:
How come so many people posting advice to me need to instead take it themselves?
What does this mean to you?
http://johnburley.com/otherresources.html#iwealth:
Book Price: $299.00 US
Yeah, means “BOOK” to me too.
But you have cleared something up. Since you say it’s not a book, rather tapes I can certainly see the reason to charge $300 since it’s much more work to talk into a microphone and record it opposed to typing, proof-reading and publishing a book.
What is it with people like you? Someone posts a reasonably informed opinion based on OBSERVED EVIDENCE and common-sense and all of a sudden everbody’s getting their feelings all hurt. I honestly haven’t been trying to make people cry so much by posting…
Mike
Re: who is john burley? - Posted by mike
Posted by mike on February 09, 2003 at 01:22:09:
> Give the guy a break…what has he done wrong to have inspired such rude reponse
> from you?
I’m sorry to have offended your delicate sensibilites. But instead of making me guess, why
don’t you just point out what you consider rude and/or inappropriate and why?
It would be inconceivable that my criticisms of Burley are new to him so I really don’t think you need to get your panties all in a bunch on his behalf. Unless maybe you think CRE isn’t big enough for a little honesty or something?
Hey, if a guy wants to sound like the typical schlock guru then he shouldn’t be surprised when somebody with a functioning brain calls him on it. Is Burley a typical schlock guru selling crapola to the unwary among us? Does his web site, style, products and prices make him look like one? I decided for myself just as everyone else is free to decide for themselves. Unlike me you seem to be bothered by that.
>
> btw…I’m looking for a teaching degree. Do you know where I can get one for $300?
>
> To quote you,
> “Don’t tell me - you charge that much so that only the really really
> (really!) serious will buy it? Need to keep the tire-kickers out.”
>
Oh, please. This is the lamest kind of excuse for obscene real estate investment book prices I can think of. Are you trying to imply that to become a multi-million dollar real estate investor all I have to spend is $300? For the kinds of returns I’ll supposedly be getting why doesn’t the book cost $10,000?
Show me a Martin Zweig, Benjamin Graham, Warren Buffett, Andrew Tobias book with such bullpoo prices. What’s that? You can’t find a single reputable stock investment book by acknowledged investment authors which can make you fabulously wealthy at such ridiculous prices? I thought so.
The real estate investment area where the masses of ignorants and wannabes congregate is rife with obscenely priced material. Wow - I wonder if that means something? Chum in the water perhaps?
> You remind me of the deaf man that screams scam because he could’t hear.
Whatever. Many people enjoy being delighted and amazed by cool-sounding but meaningless babble such as investor “levels” and “Spirituality of Wealth.” You may be one of those people; I’m not…
Mike
Re: You should get a clue… - Posted by Houserookie
Posted by Houserookie on February 09, 2003 at 10:58:02:
Mike,
Where exactly can I find the same information offered by Burley for $19.95? Please be specific.
And please don’t tell me I need 10 other books in order to piece the information.
Why don’t you do the world a service and offer a free website on real estate investing. Maybe then you’ll discover how far “reasonably” informed people get in life.