Which of 2 MHP's do I buy?? Help! - Posted by Brian,WI

Posted by Brian,WI on January 05, 2003 at 19:31:28:

Jeffrey,

Thank you for your imput and advise, I appreciate it.

To try to clear up a little confussion, the extra 100k I have is from another deal, a 1033 involuntary exchange…In a nutshell; I had a city “take” a property Dec 2001. I have 2 years to appeal the “award” or money I got from them. This also gives me that same 2 years to find a replacement property, so I would use the 100k from that plus the 100k from the sale all for the 1031 I’m in now which will then cover the 1033 as well. Hope that clears things up a little.

I’ll keep your other advise in mind as I pursue this.

Brian,WI

P.S. Any idea who I talk to about if I’m a utility or not?

Which of 2 MHP’s do I buy?? Help! - Posted by Brian,WI

Posted by Brian,WI on December 29, 2002 at 14:40:15:

Being in the middle of a 1031 exchange, I need to identify my replacement property(s) by Jan. 11, 2003. All I’ve ever owned are rooming houses, and sold my last one Nov. 26, 2002. I’ll have about $106,000 from that sale to put into my replacement property as well as about another $110,000 if needed.

Well now I’m looking at Mobile Home Parks (as well as other types of property).

Recently I’ve been talking to the owner of a small park that needs to be turned around. None of the MH’s are owned by the park, it has 36 pads at $225/month a house at $550/month and metered (free well)water/sewer that brings in about $20,424/year. All said and done the Net Operating Income is $65,297 before debt service. There can be 20 more pads added for future use. Asking price is $500,000. There are a lot of very old(60’s) MH’s in this park,gravel roads, wooded, and it’s in a rural area. There have been water problems and the seller said he is replacing the water main in one section of the park and has done the needed work needed at the lift station where there were other water problems. Long and short of it is that there would still be a good cash flow and a lot of upside potential(not so much with increase lot rent, but developing the 20 other pads as well as reducing the $7,738 vacancy for lost lot rent due to the park condition). I posted info on this one about 3 weeks ago and Ray (Alcorn) liked the numbers.

Well I just called the owner of another MHP who I spoke with in March and she said her park is for sale also!!(Holy cow too many parks to choose from hey?). Anyway hers is a 56 pad park. She said its “older”, but in good condition, they own the roads and just had them re-done this year and there is a Pick-up with plow for doing the snow. She just increased the lot rent to $220/month. She has 1 vacant lot and 1 empty MH she is trying to acquire to either sell or move. She does not own any of the MH’s in the park. She said her Net Operating Income before debt service is $115,688 and is “asking” $1,000,000. There is also a single family home that the manager lives in rent free. The rents are paid right to a local credit union and the owner just goes online to check to make sure everyone has paid each month. Seller says the park is on municipal sewer/water and it cost is so small it doesn’t pay to sub-meter.

These parks are about 8 miles away from each other, and about 50 miles from my home. So…being new to MHP’s, do I spend less and go for the turn around park at $500,000 or the other that is basically running on autopilot for $1,000,000?. I would only like to identify one of these parks for the 1031 to keep my options open for other property that may come up. I do work full-time and have a wife and 2 smaller kids to spend time with too for what that’s worth.

I just ordered and read Ray Alcon’s manual “Deal makers guide to Mobile Home Parks” (great stuff and can’t wait for my second read), and Ernest Tews How to get Rich Helping Others (just started reading but got a lot out of it so far too!) so I’m learning a lot from them.

Thanks for any and all help you can provide.

Brian,WI

P.S. I’m also posting this on the Mobile Home board.

Re: Which of 2 MHP’s do I buy?? Help! - Posted by Jeffrey

Posted by Jeffrey on January 04, 2003 at 18:30:39:

Greetings, Brian,

One thing to consider when comparing the two parks is the increased role of the various units of government as it relates to the two parks. I looked at a small park in a vary rural city in the Midwest with smaller lots. The city had passed an ordinance that all new dwelling units must be 980SF. None of the lots could hold a 70 foot MH. This park was 1/3 vacant. It did not make economic sense even at a really low price (I think he was begging for around 4K per pad?) If you own a park with small pads you will be susceptible to a reduction in value of the park under similar circumstances.

Also, infrastructure problems can be a real headache and get you famous?at least locally. If there are sewer, water, or electrical problems, you will have to act really fast once the regulatory agencies get on your case or risk substantial negative publicity and/or condemnation of the park. You will be held responsible for the health and welfare of your tenants. Mobile home parks may be somewhat more regulated than some other forms of investment housing.

By the way, I?m surprised that you can charge tenants for well water. Make sure this is legal. You may be considered a public utility with all sorts of impossible paperwork etc.

One aspect of your situation that I?d like to hear others comment on is your ability to add 100K to the 100K you have in the 1031 trust. Once you contribute this extra cash, doesn?t it basically assume your old basis in a sense. If you sold the asset tomarrow, for essentially the same price paid and retrieved the 100K, you would pay tax on it, correct? Whereas, if you purchased another property with the 100K outside of the 1031, and sold it for no gain, there would be no tax on the 100K. I may be wrong on all this! I am not an expert, and haven?t thought all this thru!

I?ve enjoyed following your story and look forward to seeing what you decide to do. I?m absolutely positive that you have come up with the best alternatives to look at. Now is the time to look at all of the options side by side and make your decision. Hopefully one will emerge as the obvious winner. I look forward to hearing what decision you make.

Regards,

Jeffrey

Re: Which of 2 MHP’s do I buy?? Help! - Posted by ray@lcorn

Posted by ray@lcorn on December 29, 2002 at 20:24:26:

Brian,

The missing piece here is financing. What type of debt structure are you going to use on either of the parks?

I can make some assumptions and show you one way to look at the deals.

The first assumption is the biggest… that the NOI on each deal is correct. Be sure to verify the income and expenses.

Next is the finance piece. For simplicity’s sake, let’s just say you’re getting twenty year financing on either deal at 8%, at an 80% loan to cost (LTC) ratio. However I do this with the caveat that changing the debt terms can greatly change the returns. You may do better on rate, but probably not on amortization term. The 80% LTC is fairly aggressive, and you may get hit with a 75% LTC, but can counter on the second deal if the seller will take a 5%-10% second.

It’s a given that your minimum equity will be the proceeds of the 1031 since you have to trade equal or greater in debt and equity. That provides the 20% down on the first deal. However I don’t know how much debt you had on the relinquished property, and that could affect whether or not these deals meet the 1031 requirements.

On the first deal, you can close with the 1031 proceeds alone. Rounding the equity to $100T, that leaves a $400T loan. At the above terms, the debt service is $40,149. Deduct that from the NOI of $65,300, and it leaves $25,151 (25%) as a pre-tax return on your investment prior to the investment in deferred maintenance and turnaround costs (vacancies). My guess is that while it will pencil to a 25% pre-tax return, it won’t be anywhere near that for the first couple of years. (Depending on how fast you initiate the turnaround, the return could even be negative the first year. This is okay if it is planned for.) Also, you’re signing on for a lot of work to upgrade the park. The potential spaces are another deal of their own, and I won’t try to account for them here now. Long term, I think this deal could be the proverbial goose with golden eggs for someone who has the time and temperment to develop it to it’s potential.

The second deal is likely going to take most of your extra cash as well as the 1031 proceeds. Assuming you can get the financing done with $200T down, the debt service will be $80,298. Subtract that from the NOI and it leaves $35,390, or about 18% pre-tax on the $200T investment assuming no deferred maintenance or problems with the property systems. The nice part is it is on autopilot. While the upside will be limited to the increased value as with normal rent increases, the work is relatively easy. That’s not a bad return at all for a stable property.

So it comes down to either deal looking like a good investment. The question becomes what your goals and desires are. If you’re looking for a good supplement to your full-time career but a hands off investment, then you may go with number two. If you’re looking for an eventual no-job scenario and want to be in real estate full time, then the first deal may be the better ticket.

The most accurate way of determining the best of several competing deals over the long haul is to run a complete Internal Rate of Return (IRR) calculation for the entire holding period, accounting for capital investment, income taxes and the eventual sale price. That is too complex to go into with the time I have tonight, but if you’ll search the archives you’ll find a number of posts on the subject. Even IRR has limitations (and one fault) though, and cannot answer the basic question of what your long term goals are. Only you can do that.

Thanks for the post, and let us know what you decide!

Best of luck,

ray