Posted by JohnBoy on July 01, 2001 at 24:38:26:
So how does one go about obtaining a “Land Patent” and “Allodial Title”?
What is Allodial title???Bronchick… - Posted by todd W(CO)
Posted by todd W(CO) on June 30, 2001 at 02:41:20:
I saw this term on a document today in the county clerks office, there was not much of a description. does anyone know its meaning.
thanks to all
Todd Williamson(CO)
Re: What is Allodial title???Bronchick… - Posted by dandrews
Posted by dandrews on July 01, 2001 at 19:46:18:
I heard this term when I thought I could get an easement across railroad tracks to a piece of land that I owned. This right of way had been in existence for years–actually generations. Lawyer said forget it, railroads operate differently–statutory law would not apply since they have a patent.
Long time later I ran across this again in a some patriots material I was reading for entertainment. Seems there is really something to it, but you cannot borrow on it so nobody does it. Further more, you need to figure it out on your own, probably since lawyers are part of the statutory system. Then once you achieve it, you have to maintain it ie., argue with the local jurisdiction who will need to have it proven that it does in fact deserve to come off the tax roles.
I have heard of people who claim to have done it, but never met any. I would like to hear if someone out there has pulled it off.
Re: What is Allodial title???Bronchick… - Posted by Bud
Posted by Bud on June 30, 2001 at 11:31:38:
Allodial…Free; not holden of any lord or superior; owned without obligation of vassalage or fealty; the opposite of feudal.
…Black’s 6th Edition.
As I understand this term, it is absolute ownership as opposed to fee simple. The “fee” coming from “feudal”, which means that the State is the absolute owner of property. This is where land tax comes from. If you don’t pay your tax (rent), then the State claims it’s ownership and “your” land is transferred to someone who will pay the rent (tax).
Land under an allodial title can not be taxed. Also, no bank will loan against it as an allodial title by definition means ‘without obligation’.
That’s the theory anyway. I have looked into obtaining allodial title on ‘my’ ranch and have been met with blank stares from the folks behind the counter.
“land patent”… end property taxes - Posted by tang-0-rang
Posted by tang-0-rang on June 30, 2001 at 23:22:41:
Until you obtain the “Land Patent” and bring the Allodial Title forword in your name,you are making payments on “public property”. Without the Allodial Title it is the government, and not you, who holds the actual patent or “Title” to your property, even if the “Deed” is in your name.Our Founding fathers realized the Extreme importance of property ownership and structured laws so that a Citizen’s land could never be subjected to taxes, seizure or any other abuse.
Although it is our Constitutional Right 99% of Americans DO NOT have the highest form of Title on their homes and poperties, which is a Land Patent and Allodial Title. Instead they have “Deeds” which are not Absolute Titles, but merely “Color of Titles”. Color ot Title is defined as that which in appearance is title, but in reality is No title, An Allodial Title is free, not beholden of any lord or superior, owned without obligation, without recognizing any superior to whom any duty is due on account thereof.
a quote from THE AMERICAN HORSE, Odessa Factsheet
hope this answers your query.
Tyler Justice
Shadow logic - Posted by JD
Posted by JD on July 01, 2001 at 24:41:11:
The ‘American Horse’ could become so wealthy!, they have in their posession the holy grail of real estate, all they would have to do is purchase an inexpensive 20 acres within 30 minutes of a major metropolitan area, get allodial title, and build a gambling casino (sarcastic). Me thinks that if there were a way for someone to own their property free of property taxes and police power (zoning, condemnation, building codes, etc…) that this form of ownership would be very popular. With the possible exception of Indian Reservations (and like Real Estate, if any), Allodial Title exists only in the minds of the ‘American Horse’. I suggest that the ‘American Horse’ not rely on Shadow Logic from the Art Bell show.