Understanding Appraisal Specifics - Posted by JThompson(WV)

Posted by Ed Garcia on January 07, 2003 at 10:06:15:

JThompson

Making Money when you buy.

Here is what I tell a Newbie who is starting out.

First, is to evaluate how much time you are going to be able to commit
to Real-estate? If your approach is hit and miss, so will be your result.

Second: Go to the street. It is the best teacher. Rather than talk about
doing deals, reading in the library, getting courses, JUST DO IT.

You’ll find in the long run, the street is the best teacher. Not only that, by getting out an doing it, you’ll learn your MARKET, meet people to build a NETWORK, learn the demographics as well as the geographics of your area, and of course you would have over come the biggest obstacle in getting started, PROCRASTINATION.

We need to do what we call, penciling out a deal. When doing that, we
ask ourselves a battery of questions necessary in structuring a deal.

I’m going to give you 5 steps to get you started.

(1) How much do we want to make?

So many times I hear someone act as if they are afraid of loosing a deal
because of the profit they put into it. Forget about it. I’d rather be sorry about the
deal I did not make, rather than the one I did. The profit is what protects you in a deal.
Don’t be afraid to make it.

When doing a deal I want to make at least 30% and believe me when I
tell you, when I structure a deal with 30% in it, I never get it. Some how the profit always
dissipates, even after I thought I figured it to the penny.

Would I do a deal with less profit? Yes but I would do it as a flip,
lease option, or as a leveraged deal with positive cash flow.

(2) Determine the Value of the Property.

The next thing I must do is determine what the property is worth. The
obvious thing to do, is comp it. Don’t let the seller or real-estate broker tell you what it is
worth. Get it compted yourself.

(3) Deferred maintenance.

Usually I figure my profit after taking off the deferred maintenance,
otherwise it distorts my profit. So it must be figured in the beginning to determine your profit.

(4) Game plan.

What do I want to do with the property? Do I want to fix it and sell it?
Do I want to keep it long term or short term? When I buy a property, I have a plan for it.
And usually I buy it with that plan in mind. This part is so important, I’m going to go into more detail by giving you an example.

Remember, you make your money on the buy.

GAME PLAN.

Each deal speaks for it’s self. For example, if I bought a house for
Lets say $50,000 and had to put $10,000 into it for fix up. I’m in this deal
$60,000. Now what would that house have to be worth in order for me
to feel comfortable to buy it, and debt service it on my line of credit.

$70,000 ? No I don’t think so. I have no room in this deal for
error. What if after a month or two I don’t sell it ?
Now remember, we can play the what if game all day. I can create a fast
Sale for the purpose of this posting to make myself look good, but
that’s Not the answer. So remember we have to always be careful with
hypothetical questions and answers. The profit structure on this deal is
not good enough for me to do the deal.

$80,000 ? Were getting better, but No. I have to keep in mind that
things can go wrong with my deal. What if I sell it after 2 months, and then
the sale falls through after being under contract for 45 days because of
financing.

Now I have had the property for 31/2 months, and have to put it back on
the market again. Also what if the market changes or slows down ?
Even though I show on paper that I have a $20,000 profit, that’s not
so.

For the fun of it, lets take this so call $20,000 profit and structure a

Game Plan around it.

(1.) I plug in 6 month worth of debt service on my deal. I’m in the
deal $60,000. Interest, depending on the interest of your credit line,
Let say for the benefit of our example is 9.5%. Our payments would
Then be $475 per month. 475X 6 = $2850.

(2.) What ever the market value you come up with, always cut it 5%.
Because realistically, the potential buyer is going to want you to
Discount your price. Now if you don’t have to, great. But lets face
It. If you were trying to sell it for $80,000 and someone offered
You $ 76,000, you know you wouldn’t want to wait for another
Buyer. You would still be debt servicing the deal. With you luck,
You wait another month or two and the next buyer would make
The same offer. Terry Vaughan will tell you, that the first 10% of
a deal is water. I agree with Terry, but for the purpose of this
deal we’ll just keep it at 5%. So lets take off another $4000.

(3.) I always plug in a realtor. Now I know that there are a lot of
Geniuses out there that don’t need them. They are so great that
they can sell the property themselves. Great, you plug in a
Realtor. 76,000 X .06 = $4,560.

Lets recap. A sale of $80,000, gives us on paper a $20,000 profit.

$20,000
-$ 2,850 Debt service
-$4,000 5% Discount
-$4,560 6% Sales commission.

Potential Profit $8,590.

As you can see the profit dissipates quickly. And personally I don’t
Think It’s enough to take the risk your taking with your line.

How about $90,000? Now all of a sudden the deal can make sense.
We have between a $17,500 and $18,000 profit.

Lets look at our LTV (loan to value). 60,000 divided by 90,000 =
67% LTV.

So you see the deal speaks for it’s self, but the structuring of a deal
with a Game Plan is what will let you know if you should do the deal.

(5) Financing.

How am I going to take my deal down? An I going to create a seller carry
back, and use a lender to give some money to the seller? Will the seller carry back the whole deal? Will I have to buy it with a combination of down payment and financing?
Or will I pay cash and then refinance it later, getting all of my money back.

These are just a few basic fundamentals of doing a deal. I hope this is
some help to you.

Ed Garcia

Understanding Appraisal Specifics - Posted by JThompson(WV)

Posted by JThompson(WV) on January 07, 2003 at 09:57:12:

Hello all. Just finished my second retail flip, and am moving on to #3. Had a few questions on appraisals so that I might understand my market’s FMV a little better to prevent making any mistakes.

I spoke with the appraiser yesterday regarding what is actually disclosed by the appraisal report. I know it sounds crazy, but I did not look at the appraisals from the first two deals. I took the word of my loan originator pulling the details together for my retail buyers that all was okay.

I now understand that an appraiser is to disclose whether the property was listed in the MLS in the previous twelve months and what it was last listed at. They are now required to disclose any sales in the past 36 months and details of the selling price, as well as comp information.

Am I missing anything else in analyzing what goes into an appraisal report? The reason I ask is that I was contemplating tying up a house that I thought, based on comps, would appraise for ~$75,000. However, this one slid off of the MLS two months ago at $65,000.

The area I live in is a buyer’s market with many houses on the market, and limited numbers of qualified available buyers. I want to attempt to bring out more qualified buyers by working closely with my friend who is a loan originator, and utilizing some sub-prime lending markets to move a few houses quickly. But it appears that the appraisal process could be a sticking point on value on some houses, and this makes it look like I should try to tie up properties BEFORE they hit the MLS so as to not taint their percieved value.

I know this sounds crazy, but if a house could comp out at $75,000, but fell out of the MLS at $65,000, I can find a qualified buyer willing to buy at $75,000 by virtue of the fact that I showed someone that they can be a homeowner, I get penalized by the underwriter because he cuts the appraisal to what it was last listed on the MLS, even though I have a willing, qualified buyer that will pay a comp value.

I get penalized for doing a better job finding a buyer for the home than the ‘professional’ real estate agent. Go figure.

What am I missing here?

John

Re: Understanding Appraisal Specifics - Posted by Ed Garcia

Posted by Ed Garcia on January 07, 2003 at 10:11:21:

JThompson,

The reason gave you such a long detailed answer is because you need to learn more then just how to understand an appraisal, you need to learn how to look at a deal.

Never trust anyone to do your due dilligence. It’s your job to make sure that you know the values when buying.

Ed Garcia