Posted by David Emilie Wasden on June 27, 2001 at 17:24:56:
Bob,
We just read your letter regarding Ron Legrand May 2000. It is June 2001. How was your journey and your success? Please reply
David
Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by Antonio
Posted by Antonio on November 29, 1999 at 07:36:27:
Can an experience investor tell me
wich one of these gurus is best for
me, I don’t want to be a Landlord, I don’t
want to deal with tenants and management and
I am not a handy man, I just want to buy properties 20 to 40% below market value and hire someone to do a little fixing on the house if I have to.
(single family homes)and resale them for a profit in a matter of days or weeks to a perspective buyer.
I want to know which course should I go with Carlton Sheet or Ron Legrand.
Thank you
your response would be greatly appreciated.
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by John
Posted by John on December 12, 1999 at 17:06:00:
Just a little back ground on the two Ron Legrand i’m not sure of his back ground but people say he knows what he’s talking about, Know Carlton Sheets use to work for Robert Allen BUT as you may know Robert Allen is no longer in Real Estate in Fact the state of Utah just sued him.
So as for my vote i would go with Ron Legrand.
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by Arie O
Posted by Arie O on November 29, 1999 at 15:26:12:
Find someone smaller and more local to you. These large nationwide programs offer no where near the service of a small teacher/mentor.
Arie O
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by Alex
Posted by Alex on March 13, 2001 at 22:50:12:
Question: If Ron Legrand is so good, then why did he stop advertising for such a long time. In MY opinion Carleton Sheets has been continually advertising and putting his successful product out there for much longer time. If C.S. is connected to Robert Allen then why has he been on TV so long. Furthermore C.S. is the only course which I know that actual real people (that I know) are using and becoming successful in. Thank you very much and have a nice day.
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by Steve
Posted by Steve on July 29, 2001 at 11:23:53:
I’d like to find out if anyone has compared Ron’s method to John Beck’s “Free and Clear” system? I’m looking to go with one of these and wonder if anyone has had prior experience, good or bad with one or both programs. Thanks.
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by JA-FL
Posted by JA-FL on November 30, 1999 at 11:57:28:
We believe C.S. is geared more towards buy and hold, from what we hear, although we have not seen it, only
heard and web sites. R.L. main push is to buy junkers and wholesale them to some one else to fix up, usually on a option, or fix up your self and retail sell them. We believe C.S’s program is relatively inexpensive? R.L’s programs can run to several thousand, if you take his boot camps, but he has home study courses and tapes at less and some info you can get for free. He also pushes Lease/Options and so called “Pretty Houses”. We don’t know if C.S. does any of this? Does any one else have info on exactly what C.S. teaches and on what areas, rentals, fixer uppers etc? and how much it costs? If you want specific questions answered on junkers, rentals, or pretty houses we can help.
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by sue clark
Posted by sue clark on May 19, 2002 at 15:28:32:
alex, Hi, My name is Sue, I have been to almost every R.E. seminar there is on earth. I have a Carlton Sheets set of books but I have not read them yet, but I have not heard bad of him. I think if he worked for Robert Allen it was years and years ago. I was ripped off royalaly by Robert Allen money and trainning. We all started to sue him a few years ago. Robert Allen never owned R.E. in his life and he is a scammer. As to Ron Legrand, I took his course and bought a few homes, his system works, he is straight forward and his teaching is simple to understand and I feel that he is very trusworthy. He does advertise here where I live in Florida on tv a lot. He is out of Jacksonville and he is in our investment clubs yearly in this area. He truly teaches the value and costs of rehab to homes. I would go again to his hands on training. If You can go to one of his hands on training it is worth every penney. You will wish you saw him first. It cost my husband and I 9,000.00 dollard to take his course about 10 years ago and we got no training to buy R. E. It was a disgrace. You can’t go wrong with Ron, Sheets I don’t know yet. Happy RE investing.
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by Sunny Weed
Posted by Sunny Weed on August 28, 2001 at 11:40:53:
I bought Carleton Sheets real estate course six years ago, put it on the shelf for six months, then took it down, watched the video Attention Renters! 50 days to your first home"… 32 days later I had a 2-bedroom/1bath house with a wraparound porch on 6.9 acres of land with a 30’x40’ commercial building (with bathroom & central air). I rented out the house for 375/month, I rented out the commercial building for 450/month… my payments to the seller were $325/month for the first year, all payments going in entirety to the downpayment. I sold that property a year later for $6500 more than I paid for it. CARLETON SHEETS course REALLY works! Five years after that I had ten rentals, all lease-optioned from sellers and then lease-optioned to buyers, in the Bradenton-Brandon area of the Tampa Bay area, Florida. My monthly cashflow after maintenance is between 1700-2100/month (depends on maintenance repairs). Then I took a job out in San Francisco with a startup (I’m in computers). My RENT out there was 2200/month for a 1-bedroom apartment! I wish I’d never returned to the SF Bay Area! The company fell on the dot-com hardtimes, I was forced to take another job with a startup, this time down towards San Jose. Then I saw an infomercial for Ron LeGrand’s real estate course. Not having the guts to try and work Carleton’s course in this overpriced, faggoty area, I decided to buy Ron’s course, it was only $169 payable over 3 months, just like Carleton’s course. What did I find when I started listening to Ron’s tapes? Yes, he blatantly ‘pushes’ his ‘bootcamps’, that’s true enough. However, what I discovered is that his techniques are far more aggressive than Carleton’s. Frankly I think they wouldn’t necessarily work for a timid person, who’d not had any prior success with buying-selling real estate through personal negotiation. But I HAVE had success! So after working my way through Ron’s course, I gave it a try… after 3 weeks work, I finally found a motivated seller south of San Jose (but commute distance to San Jose, Monterey, Santa Cruz areas). I got an option on a $1,690,000 residential property (you heard me right!) I got the option at $1,240,000, immediately ran a 3-day ad starting in the Sunday issue of one of the area’s biggest dailies. Within a week, I ‘flipped’ the property to a buyer-tenant who gave me $72,000 CASH before move-in (as downpayment) and is now paying me $950 a month MORE than I pay the seller, and when the buyer qualifies for a bank loan, in a year or sooner, I will get another 128K as I sold the house for $1,440,000. If the buyer doesn’t get financing, they lose their 72000 (they know that), and I am free to list the house for lease-purchase again, or walk away, as I have a 1-year renewable lease myself! I make the payments out to the bank directly with the seller’s loan # and name on the checks, but the bank cannot call the loan due as it isn’t sold, it’s lease-optioned!
I LOVE Carleton, he started me on the pay to financial freedom, but I WORSHIP Ron LeGrand! As he truly set me free, financially.
Both techniques work if you WORK them… neither Ron nor Carleton say it is ‘easy’, it isn’t, it’s hard work. Both admit that if you want to get ‘filthy, stinkin’ rich’ (as Ron says) you must hold property, not ‘flip it’. However, if you want a good INCOME, flipping and lease-optioning are the ways to do that.
With 72000 in the bank, I’m quitting my job and NEVER working in the computer industry again (it doesn’t matter that I was making a six figure income in computers, I am burnt-out on computers).
If you really want to be free financially, buy both the courses and do at least one of them. But if you don’t get off your duff and actually WORK the course, you won’t make any money… than you can gripe about how Carleton and Ron are just selling the courses to make money, not actually teaching you how to invest in real estate. However the fact is that both of them have made a LOT of money in real estate, and yes, now they are ALSO making a lot of money from the courses. What of it? What they teach in their courses is ‘truth’… but if you want to steep in your own quagmire with the rest of the ‘no guts’ people, than buy the course and leave it up on the shelf along with all the other motivational materials you collect over the years and then whine about how these people are just ‘rip off artists’. Meanwhile, I’ll be buying/selling/holding on to property and slowly/surely becoming ‘filthy stinkin’ rich’.
Sunny
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by BOB KELLY
Posted by BOB KELLY on May 30, 2001 at 21:08:21:
Hello there -
My Dad a “very knowledgeable” person in the Real Estate industry is thinking of paying for me, my wife, and a friend to take a “Boot Camp” of Ron LeGrand’s ‘Wholesale/Retail Course’ in Seattle in July. I know absolutely nothing about real estate sales, but my dad has been trying for years to ‘educate’ me. Hopefully, this site is not ‘dead’ and you can provide me with some insight! I’m reading Ron’s book on making money fast - as I need to - and it sounds good so far. My dad claims he knows enough to write a book - he’s 75 - I’m 52. I’m giving you all this background so you can have an idea of what I’m asking - - Is his (my dad)spending $$ to send us all to Ron’s “Boot Camp” = $2500+ worth it?
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by Lamont Sansbury
Posted by Lamont Sansbury on May 22, 2001 at 20:05:54:
I had mentioned that I’d like to find out more info on the “find 'em & flip 'em” technique. However, I would also like to know more about the “pretty houses” techniques as well. Can you please help me?
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by Lamont Sansbury
Posted by Lamont Sansbury on May 22, 2001 at 19:52:10:
I am wanting to get into the real estate investing business and have studied the Carlton Sheets material. It seems like he teaches only on holding on to real estate. I really don’t want to get into real estate management but I do like the “find 'em & and flip 'em” part of real estate investing. what should I do?
Legrands courses…PLEASE HELP - Posted by Mike Million
Posted by Mike Million on August 13, 2000 at 10:49:55:
I may purchase one of Legrand’s MODS, But I need to know the
best one for me…I’ve saved for months to buy this.
I will be starting out with NO MONEY. so I will not be able to buy houses and fix them up.Any Ideas on the best mods for me? thank you in advance.
Mike Million
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by Eric Beins
Posted by Eric Beins on June 14, 2000 at 07:45:59:
I would like to know what “pretty houses” are.
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by Bob Taylor
Posted by Bob Taylor on December 02, 1999 at 18:24:00:
I have C S “No Down” course. Legrand’s W/R, L/O, and For Sale by Owner. C S in my opinion, gives you the very best on the top. Ron gives you conversations, forms (filled out and blank), plus when you buy you can call for a few months to get personal coaching at no extra cost. I have not called because the material is pretty thorough.
I have had some very limited R E experience. My wife and I have 11 rental properties, 9 of which were no money down from a course from Ed Beckley, he bankrupted 10 years ago.
So much for that. Nothing takes the place of making the offers. Just be careful that you don’t give the farm away, because you will make mistakes. The people who tell you they don’t will lie about other things, too!
Nobody can sell you a perfect course. What do you want to do? You can never learn too much about this business, but, you can’t “do” this business by buying courses, and, reading, but, never making offers! If you want to do this business, at some point you are going to say" I can do that" and then, go do it.
It is not real hard, you just have to get a big set of gonads and go do it.
As Ron says, when you get that first $10,000.00 check in your sweaty palms, you’re hooked.
If you haven’t guessed by now, Legrand has my vote.
Good luck…
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by Bob
Posted by Bob on May 30, 2001 at 21:18:54:
Hi There - Starting to read the Ron LeGrand book - Making $$ fast. Thinking about taking a “Boot Camp” for Retail/Wholesale - You? Find 'em & flip 'em" sounds good, but anyone can write that stuff. No step-by-step what to do - alot of suggestions - which all sound good, but maybe I need to get into it further. Again - you? - Bob
Of course, I hope you know - anyone could be writing these!! - BK
Re: Legrands courses…PLEASE HELP - Posted by BOB
Posted by BOB on May 30, 2001 at 21:11:11:
Hi there -
Thinking about taking his Wholesale/Retail “Boot Camp” - I’m like you - no $$$ - but want to learn. Did you do anything? Thanks Bob
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by m smith
Posted by m smith on July 23, 2000 at 06:44:58:
I’m unsure if i should order the ron legrand course. Does it work for people with bad credit?
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by ev smith Phila Pa.
Posted by ev smith Phila Pa. on June 16, 2000 at 03:19:38:
I am a 32 year black male working a city job living check to check. I would like to hear from anyone in my age group that was in a similar stage in life and is now living better from reading this course. I don’t care if it is Legrand or Carlton. I just want to know if it work’s. If any one can give me that imformation please feel free to drop me a email I would love to know if being up this late may one day pay off.
Thank’s and GOD Bless!!
Re: Ron Legrand versus Carlton S. - Posted by Bob Taylor
Posted by Bob Taylor on June 19, 2000 at 17:10:40:
ev:
You could not have gotten me at a better time. I just returned, literally, from a Legrand boot camp in Las Vegas. Spent a lot of money, learned a lot of stuff, and, hey, I am ready to go!
I am 60 years old, so, I am not in your age group, which may , or, may not matter. I have materials from a lot of people, some still selling, and, some out of business. Legrands is without a doubt, for me, head and shoulders above the rest that I have looked at, for me. I cannot speak for anyone else. But, for me, no question about it.
I left my full time job May 31,2000 to pursue this R E I full time, after doing it successfully part time for about a year. Yes, I am sold Ron’s programs. They are helping me make a lot of money.
Hope this helps.
Good luck, and, good buying/selling.
Bob Taylor…Alabama