Rich Dad Poor Dad? - Posted by Joe

Re: well, who’s the bullsh*tter here? - Posted by michaela-ATL

Posted by michaela-ATL on July 05, 2005 at 08:18:00:

Mr. Big,

first of all I don’t do most of the things, that Kyosaki or other investors advocate. I’m just not interested in making tons of money. So, I have no parts of the books, that I can throw at you, citing loads of profit. I do what I do and what I love and I live off it. Granted I now found soemthing, that I also enjoy and I’m making lots of money with it.

As I ahd mentioned before, the book is not about the little details, but about the ‘big picture’. There are anough books out there, that deal with all the little things. It’s the attitude and inspiration. That’s the thing, that’s missing most with all the people, that want do, but never do do REI. It’s their problem and if you have a problem with kyosaki, because someone might just up and quit their job, then that’s the same thing as blaming Mcdonalds for custoemrs getting fat, MTV for people copying some stunts and bands for their lyrics, that entice someone to kill someone. it’s ridiculous.

People are responsible for their own action. That’s a problem with this country. Everybody is so gung ho to proclaim themself a victim and someone else to blame when their life doesn’t go as planned.

Changing your perception and attitude is the single most important step when it comes to making it or breaking it. And that’s what RDPD is about imho.

Michaela

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Good post IB… - Posted by Killer Joe

Posted by Killer Joe on July 05, 2005 at 23:22:18:

Hi IB,

You make a good case for the value found in the RDPD course. I bought it in 2004 to add to my library once I studied it. I have to admit that I just didn’t get the value at first.

The second time I went through it I was much clearer on the value, and now I recommend it for guess what, ‘the Big Picture’. As many have said it contains very little specifics, especially about RE. But what is does contain if you pay attention are the seeds to develop better money habits than most are taught as children.

I, like many others, bought the course due to my interest in REI. That explains the initial disappointment after going through the materials the first time. I kept waiting for the golden REI nuggets to appear, then wondering if I had missed one or two of the CDs. They were all there, of course, what wasn’t there was an open mind on my part. That changed the second time around when I realized the materials had very little to do with REI, but more with the overall way to aquire wealth.

Let me just give you a personal example of something I found interesting. The principle is very simple, almost obvious, but the way it was presented makes complete sense. The principle I am referring to is purchasing assets to buy your liabilities. Take a car as an example, let’s say it’s a Corvette (my taste).

Now in the past I have always bought cars with good financing in place so the interest on the purchase, bought wholesale, or close to it, was managable and affordable. Yet in spite of buying at a good price, with little financing costs, I still had a monthly payment that would linger for several years.

Not anymore. Now when I want something like a newer Corvette, I realize I can just do ONE MORE DEAL that pays for the car. One or two weeks work, no payments, just a pinkslip (title). It’s a different way to look at purchasing lifes little rewards. The only hard part is putting it into practice. And by that I mean once you do that ‘extra deal’ (as if there was one) the money made looks just like all the money the other deals brought in (no kidding).

But here’s the difference, when I go to purchase my next Corvette (#4, I’m sick like that) I certainly will not look for good financing, only a wholesale price on a quality piece. Instead of looking for a good interest rate I will look for a good property to flip that will give me the money to buy the car. (I have purchased two properties in the last thirty days that each would fulfill that requirement, so I know it can be done when lifes priorities require a little ‘reward’, I just don’t need/want one til next spring).

Sorry if this sounds selfserving, I’m just trying to give a real world example of the kinds of nuggets found in the RDPD course, so I have to bring it into my world. You could apply the same techniques to an SUV, boat, RV, or whatever. The whole trick is to purchase an asset at a wholesale value that will allow you to sell it for enough profit to buy your deprieciating assets/liabilities such as cars, instead of years of payments that eat up your cashflow. Remember, that ‘other purchase’ if bought right, can be sold while it holds most of it’s value leaving you with most of your capital intact.

Or you could get a second job that takes away what little hours you have left after your first job, if you think RDPD is all poppycock. It’s your life.

KJ

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You hit it… - Posted by IB (NJ)

Posted by IB (NJ) on July 05, 2005 at 20:41:40:

it’s about the big picture. That’s what RDPD taught me. I then studied other sources, including this board, the get the details.

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Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad? - Posted by Sean

Posted by Sean on July 06, 2005 at 09:26:35:

Good choices, I would also recommend just about anything by Dave Ramsey and the Followup Book to the Millionaire Next Door… “The Millionaire Mind”.

Kyosaki is fluff… basically if you have never learned anything about economics you might find his fluff useful… However he’s purely a pitch man at the end of the day who has about as much knowledge to share as a rock when it comes to actually doing things.

Why do you think all his stuff with any details in them are by other folks?

I’d say if you don’t have a clue about money or business or capitalism RDPD might be of use… and if you do, you should be raising hell with your local school boards about why economics are not required to graduate high school in most states and districts.

The Richest Man in Babylon - Posted by TW-OH

Posted by TW-OH on July 06, 2005 at 05:44:06:

I could not agree more with your recommended books.

I have bought that book for several people as a gift after they have gotten hooked on the Kawasaki series of feel good books.

There are several people in our local REIA who meet to play Cashflow and as a group they are a bunch of wheel spinners doing a lot of work but never really getting anywhere.

On the other hand I know another guy who lives the millionaire next door lifestyle (and is one) but is a big fan of the Motley Fool fools so you never really know if some of the people reading Kawasaki might actually come out OK afterall.

Also John… - Posted by IB (NJ)

Posted by IB (NJ) on July 03, 2005 at 09:09:47:

It sounds like you may be a little older than me and perhaps grew up in a different era (i.e. the industrial age) where we were encouraged to go to college and get a good job. This was good advice that worked well for those aspiring to reach the middle class. But I agree with Kiyosaki that today in the information age the rules have changed and you can no longer use that formula to create wealth and financial security.

Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad? - Posted by IB (NJ)

Posted by IB (NJ) on July 03, 2005 at 09:05:57:

Since when did Kiyosaki talk ‘against’ saving your money and investing wisely? True he did speak against relying strictly on a savings account to build wealth since it is literally eaten by the taxes charged on the interest of that account and inflation. But he has always advocated living below one’s means. When did he say otherwise?

And what fool would quit his job after reading RDPD. Kiyosaki NEVER advocated that. That’s like blaming us for some fool coming on here and studying this board and then quitting HIS job to go into REI. He fails and we’re to blame? Kiyosaki strictly says that you can no longer rely on your college degree to get a ‘good’ job because there ARE no good jobs. You leave work on Wednesday and come back Thursday to find that you’ve been let go. It happened to my Mother this past Thursday. 8 years on the job and 25 in the industry and she was let go despite her experience and college degree. But she’s also been investing in RE so she’s just going to turn it up in REI and enjoy life while she creates wealth. But I agree with Kiyosaki. The era of going to college and getting a good job are over. Get your degree, get a job, create wealth, and be ready to create your own job should you have to.

His books are useful and I can personally attest to that. Would I rely on them solely to teach me everything I need to know to build wealth? Of course not. No more that I would rely solely on this board to teach me everything I need to know to invest in RE.

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Re: Also John… - Posted by John Sheridan

Posted by John Sheridan on July 03, 2005 at 16:21:10:

quote:

“It sounds like you may be a little older than me and perhaps grew up in a different era (i.e. the industrial age) where we were encouraged to go to college and get a good job. This was good advice that worked well for those aspiring to reach the middle class. But I agree with Kiyosaki that today in the information age the rules have changed and you can no longer use that formula to create wealth and financial security.”

I’m not surprised to get this reaction. Here’s a couple of paragraphs from one of the books I recommended, “The Richest Man in Babylon”. By the way, this was written in 1920.

"When youth comes to age for advice, he receives the wisdom of years. But too often does youth think that age knows only the wisdom of years that are gone, and therefore profits not. But remember this, the sun that shines today is the same sun that shone when your father was born, and will still be shining when your last grandchild passes into the darkness.

“The thoughts of youth are like bright lights that shine forth like the meteors that often light up the sky, but the wisdom of age is like the fixed stars that shine so unchanged that the sailor may depend on them to steer his course.”

Nothing tremendous has “changed” over these last few decades. There are still plenty of good careers to be had, there are still many opportunities to start a profitable business, there are still many opportunites to invest in RE and lots of other things too. Always have been, always will be.

OK I will admit that companies tend to lay off workers more often nowadays than they did before. That’s just a fact of life which occurs during economic downturns like we are having now. Economic downturns hurt everybody, not just workers. It’s harder for an entrepreneur to open a new business during a downturn. It’s harder for a RE investor to sell at a good price or charge a high rent. And so on.

As for your other post, well, I have no intention of getting into an interminable argument trying to refute each and every one of your points. I only answered your original post because you pushed one of my buttons with your “people from wealthy families find it easy to criticize Kiyosaki” remark. I’ve had those kinds of criticisms levelled against me as far back as college. Even though I grew up poor in an inner city neighborhood, I never internalized the “poor city boy” mentality so everyone I met automatically assumed that I was from wealthy family.

In closing I will paraphrase one of Reed’s remarks about RDPD. RDPD has no substance at all. It’s like an amorphous ink blob they use in a Rorschach test. There’s nothing there, but people see things anyway. You seem to basically have a sensible and reasonable mind, so you saw sensible and reasonable things there. Other people – and no, they were not “fools” – saw other things there that led them to make some really bad mistakes.

OK now you can have the last word. Like I said above, I don’t want to get drawn into an interminal back-and-forth argument.

Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad? - Posted by bill

Posted by bill on July 04, 2005 at 20:34:50:

what about ken mclroy the abc’s of real estate investing. it is part of rdpd books but kiyasoki has nothing to do with it. this guy owns a property management company and has a lot of apartments himself. it seems like he knows what he is talking about. i agree that kiyasoki made money from selling books to middle class people.

Jeanne, What is this all about? - Posted by KJ

Posted by KJ on September 06, 2005 at 13:13:55:

These keep coming to my box from your server (I guess) what up with these posts?

KJ