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Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad? - Posted by IB (NJ)
Posted by IB (NJ) on July 01, 2005 at 21:47:20:
How do you steal the concept of assets vs. liabilities? Sure it’s not original. But neither is the concept of commercial real estate vs. residential real estate. But does that make me a thief if I take the concept, repackage it so less financially savvy people understand it, and get rich?
I don’t understand people who have nothing to do with their time except spend it critiquing someone who has made a TREMENDOUS difference in people’s lives, namely me. The man saved (probably) thousands of marriages (which would have broken up over money) and maybe even more lives. And all we can talk about was whether Rich Dad really lived? What does that have to do with the contributions the man has made to society (while getting rich, I might add)?
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Re: Typical hokum from a world class bullshooter. - Posted by Mr. Big
Posted by Mr. Big on July 02, 2005 at 16:50:53:
That IS what scares me. If everyone was smart and sophisticated about money matters, they would read Kiyosaki’s books for entertainment, have a few laughs and that would be it. What scares me is that some people evidently think there is wisdom in there when there isn’t.
Given a choice between a genuine source of wisdom and a phony with nothing to offer but good feelings, the masses will chose the phony every time.
What is truly amazing is the people that say “OK so he’s a phony, there are good reasons to listen to him anyway”.
If he is a phony, don’t listen to him. He has nothing to offer.
Those are the ones I wish I didn’t understand. In a way I do understand. Unfortunately, there is enough sucker in me that I wish I could join them. But my brain won’t let me.
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Re: Yeh, I sat in the back yard … - Posted by Nancy
Posted by Nancy on July 01, 2005 at 15:42:31:
Wow, very good story… Thanks Frank!
I guess to be successful in any area one must love what he/she is doing…It’s my first year of quiting my software engineer job and doing REI full time… I love it so far… I work more than I had a job, but this is fun! I enjoy it, and I’m making more money too. I just got back from a 3 months overseas vacation, I was getting bored and was missing work, so I can relate to your 6 months of watching TV experience. I guess for the professor in the story, he’s goals is beyond material. He’d be very bored if he just retire. But that’s kind of extreme that he’s living in an apartment just for a good deal. Wish I can meet some one like that to be my mentor. If I ever become successful one day and decide to teach, I’d do it for very minimal fee, but I’d be very selective of my student, will pick some one who really wants to learn. Not like some “gurus” trying to sell to every one and charging so much, regardless of if this person really needs it or not.
So Frank, what business did you buy, just curious to find out what’s better than real estate 
Nancy
Re: Yeh, I sat in the back yard … - Posted by John B. Corey Jr.
Posted by John B. Corey Jr. on July 01, 2005 at 12:42:56:
Frank - thanks for the story.
To others…
I have a history with RE investing and as a software engineer in Silicon Valley. Here is something I noticed.
People who have been successful and were so because of their actions rarely sit in the back yard. Poor people and those who are struggling in a job think that is the goal. For those who have made the mental shift to focus on success and making their dream a reality they enjoy the process too much to just do nothing. They always get involved in something (doing more deals, teaching, charity work, new business ventures, angel investing).
Some folks who just happen to join a company at the right time and really were along for the ride do not have the drive. These folks might be more comfortable sitting in the back yard.
Some folks were in an industry where moving up was rather brutal. They rarely want more of the same. Hence they might do something that seems more passive (1 year of travel, etc).
Generally, people who have the created the drive and ambition in themselves can not turn it off when the bank balance hits a number. Many enjoy the journey too much to want to stop in the full sense of the phrase.
John Corey
Chelsea Private Equity LLC
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Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad? - Posted by Joe
Posted by Joe on July 05, 2005 at 15:44:10:
Cool, Thanks for the replies… Kinda the same conclusion I came to from the reading I’ve been doing…
I still wonder whats up with the local “mentor” I found, but I’ll find out more about that when I call’m later in the week.
Thanks again!
Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad? - Posted by Mr.BIg
Posted by Mr.BIg on July 05, 2005 at 08:20:34:
Kiyosaki: good cheerleader, his ‘system’ sucks. Read him for inspiration but don’t follow his advice.
Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad? - Posted by rdlazo
Posted by rdlazo on June 30, 2005 at 23:47:30:
I like RD PD. on books and materials
like these I only expect to get some
new ideas and his analysis of how
investment works. I like his analysis
of Mutual funds and stocks,he make a
lot of sense. Discussed the risk of
counting on employment 401k,b etc. invest
them yourselves.
I saw how 401K funds depleted so badly
last few years. My family experienced that
and have no choice because the law
was written that way.
If he don’t make sense he will not have
best selling books, materials and
very successful sold out seminars.
Many of us have reached investing
maturity that we don’t need this kind
of materials anymore.
He is more generalized and motivational than
hands on and technical. I like him though.
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Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad? - Posted by michaela-ATL
Posted by michaela-ATL on July 02, 2005 at 06:01:55:
IB,
i think the problem, that we always encounter when it comes to discussing RDPD is one of 'right brain versus left brain;. Kyosaki’s books are really for the ‘right brain’, meaning, they teach the ‘big picture’, stimulate the emotions, excitement, a different way of thinking about things etc. The people, that are open to that side of their brain, are the ones, that are turned on by his books.
The people, that are overly focused on left brain activity, they can’t stand him, because the books may not be particularly good when it comes to explaining details.
The thing is, 99% of people, that want to get into real estate and fail, are missing the ‘big picture’. The attitude, the creativity, the determination. They go to the seminars learning about the details, but they don’t succeed, because the ‘right attitude’ is missing. That’s the part, that Kyosaki speaks to.
It really takes both parts to make it in this business. You can survive in this business with just the ‘left side fo the brain’, but to make it big you also need the ‘right side’.
Just my thoughts
Michaela
Re: Rich Dad Poor Dad? - Posted by Skip
Posted by Skip on July 02, 2005 at 04:49:07:
IB, I respect your opinion about Kiyosaki. I even agree with parts of it. His book RDPD got me started in real estate investing. But if he deserves credit for that is he also responsible for the money I lost on my first deal because I didn’t know what I was doing?
Even though his first book got me exited, some things in it just didn’t ring true, especially about Rich Dad and Kiyosaki’s military service. The second book I read by him was his third book, “Rich Dad’s Prophecy.” Having been a financial writer for a mutual fund company I knew right away he didn’t know what he was talking about concerning the stock market. So why did he write a book about it?
You say you can’t understand why people worry about whether Rich Dad existed. Because Kiyosaki said he did, then later said he didn’t, then said he did again. This guy is a pathological liar.
You also say that he didn’t invent the concept of assets versus liabilities but merely repackaged it in a way that is easy to understand. Fair enough, but I don’t think Kiyosaki deserves credit for that. I believe he stole his ideas from others. He just doesn’t have the cognitive capacity to invent something original like that. In my opinion, he had nothing but a strong desire to get rich, which he ultimately did, so he deserves credit for that.
I agree with you that it’s a waste of time critiquing someone or trying to tear him down. I’m not interested in Kiyosaki one way or the other. I just gave my opinion about him in response to someone’s question. If you like him, fine.
well, who’s the bullsh*tter here? - Posted by michaela-ATL
Posted by michaela-ATL on July 02, 2005 at 17:02:36:
Mr. Big,
so far I had appreciated your comments on this board, but your totally condescending attitude towards people that like Kyosaki changes my opinion of you.
Just because some of us don’t share your opinion, that’s no reason to insult us and claim, that we’re not smart and sophisticated like you.
Maybe some of us are smarter than you and can actually read between the lines?
Michaela
Re: Yeh, I sat in the back yard … - Posted by Frank Chin
Posted by Frank Chin on July 05, 2005 at 08:08:57:
Nancy:
I’m glad you’re on your way to financial independence.
I bought an established business, and its a “auto repair, tire wholesale, retail business”. It was sold as an absentee run business, which came with a manager.
Unfortunately, with tough business environment that came about this past year, I spent more time on it than I planned, though I was able to come and go on my own schedule. With sick and aging parents, plus two young daughters, a 9:00 to 5:00 job just won’t work.
I was able to visit my dad several times a week, a year or so ago, when he was in rehab after a major operation. I was also able to attend “parent teacher conferences”.
I too was in the IT field, having spent several years doing SAP implementation. This field is notorious for long hours, with 12 hours days the norm. There’s no way I could’ve spend time with my dad, or speak with my daugher’s teachers.
In addition, I saw the beginnings of the oursourcing trend. I was the coordinator with “third party” developers, and local consultants charging $100.00/hour or more, with small end projects going for $50,000. We had an “Indian” consultant quoting us $25.00/hour for work to be done in India, and similar projects priced a $10,000.
I’ve been telling my brother, now 47 years of age, not to be too comfortable with his 100K/year job. While he’s a project leader, he still “codes”, and sooner or later, his company would realize it could done elsewhere for 25K/year. But, he has no inclination other than just going to work. I’ve been told years ago it’s tough to find work over 50 years of age, Federal laws not withstanding.
Lets congratulate ourselves for leaving the rat race.
Frank Chin
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