John Beck and Coaching - Posted by John

Posted by Ronald * Starr(in No CA) on April 22, 2002 at 20:42:15:

K. McDonald---------------

Yes, that will certainly happen. Especially in smaller counties. I was once in talking to the treasurer of Hooker county, Nebraska, when I was visiting my aunt and uncle there. Population of the county is probably about 2,500. He said when he gets letters from people about tax certicates, he just throws them away. Won’t be bothered with them. If somebody comes in and asks about the delinquent certificates, he suggests that the person just contact the owner directly and see if they can make a deal to buy the property.

I and a friend left our names and addresses to be notified of any tax sale in a small county in ID about six years ago. I think it was Fremont or Madison county. Neither of us has ever heard from the treasurer’s office.

Several things happen here. There may not be any tax sales for many years. There is low population and the ranchers and farmers don’t screw up and lose their properties. In small population counties the tax collectors can spend the time going after the delinquent taxes. The treasurer knows everybody in the town and most in the county and so communicates with delinquent tax payers one on one or will call relatives to help get through to the delinquents. Sometimes the relatives will even pay the taxes.

Also, why should they bother to help out you, a stranger from far away? If you go in and make yourself known and become friendly with them, you may get to know about their sales. Understand that most people who write to them are beginners and many of them drop away very soon and never follow up or go to the county.

Study the tax delinquency collection law for the states in which you are interested. Find out when the sales can take place. Contact them about one or two months before the sale is to take place. If you don’t get a response to your letter, telephone them.

Note that other people are receiving the same treatment you are, so it will be discouraging them. Think of this as helping to weed out the weaklings. This cuts down the competition at the actual auctions you attend. You have to be strong to get rich with real estate. You have to persist in spite of obstacles. There are always obstacles. The one that you mention is just one small obstacle.

Now, in general you are probably going to want to go to counties with quite a few certicates for sale, otherwise it will not be worth the trip away from your home. So, call up and inquire about the numbers to expect: how many went to sale the last time(s)? How many might they expect to have next time? When would be a good time to call and check up again? Keep good records, then you have your own personal database of information which you can consult to help you out.

Good Investing**************Ron Starr****************

John Beck and Coaching - Posted by John

Posted by John on April 20, 2002 at 13:13:37:

I recently bought the “Free and Clear” course off of Ebay. Inside the box was a number too call for coaching assistance. I was very excited about the possibilities, so I called the number and signed up for the coaching. It was a very hi-pressure sale and I eventually gave in and it was explained that there was a no refund policy. Well Guess what? I want my moey back. My Coach was to call me in 5 to 7 days but has not done so. To me that means the contract has been breached because they did not hold up there end of the bargain. Is the coaching worth the time and money (2000.00) anyways? Can I still get out of this? Help!!

Re: John Beck and Coaching - Posted by David C

Posted by David C on April 21, 2002 at 14:22:42:

I purchased the high pressure sales pitch also. You have 72 hours to get your refund. I fortunately posted a question about it just like yours, on the same day I bought it. Had several people tell me NO NO NO. I called to get my refund. They were not nice anymore, but I got my money back. There are more than enough seasoned coaches willing to give FREE info right on this website. How much instuctional info and self help courses can you purchase for 2000 bucks? ALOT! What will 2000 do towards your first deal or 2 or 3? Try to get your cash back, and hopefully alot of people will read this post. If coaches are sooo succesful and want to help sooo much, why not do it for the cost of materials??? Just my 2 cents

David

Second post, with corrections.Ignore first, please - Posted by Ronald * Starr(in No CA)

Posted by Ronald * Starr(in No CA) on April 20, 2002 at 19:58:49:

John----------------

That sounds like a legal question to me, not an investing question.

I have talked to John Beck about that coaching program. He hopes that this will be the one that convinces doubters about the value of coaching. He said he had gone to the call center and worked with the people there to attempt to make the coaching valuable for the clients.

Whether is is or not, I can’t tell. I don’t have any information on that. Maybe some other people who have had the coaching will be able to use their experience to help you decide.

Good InvestingRon Starr*****

Re: John Beck and Coaching - Posted by Ronald * Starr(in No CA)

Posted by Ronald * Starr(in No CA) on April 20, 2002 at 19:57:55:

John----------------

That sounds like a legal question to me, not an investing question.

I have talked to John Beck about that coaching program. He hopes that this will be the one that convinces doubters about the value of coaching. He said he had gone to the call center and worked with the people there to attempt to make the coaching valuable for the clients.

Whether is is or not, I can’t tell. I don’t have any information on that. Maybe some other people who have had the coaching will be able to use it.

Good InvestingRon Starr*****

Re: Second post, - Posted by K MCDONALD

Posted by K MCDONALD on April 20, 2002 at 22:46:09:

i got a call about the coaching program
i didnt bite thou because i feel i can do this program without a coach

Re: Second post, - Posted by Ronald * Starr(in No CA)

Posted by Ronald * Starr(in No CA) on April 22, 2002 at 01:36:56:

K McDOnald-----------

You probably can. Most of us investors started and continue to operate without a coach.

Are going for the interest rate or penalty return, or are you going after the properties? If the latter, you might want to read the long post I just posted a few minutes ago on the main bulletinboard of CREONLINE.COM, describing the things to check out when doing tax sale investing.

The interest rate/penalty return game is so much easier.

Good InvestingRon Starr********

Re: Second post, - Posted by Alex

Posted by Alex on April 28, 2002 at 15:57:21:

I looked for it at the INFORMATION section (How-To and Money Making Ideas) but could not find the article. I even checked for it at the newsgroup, no luck.

Could you please tell me the title is? Thanks.

Re: Second post, - Posted by K MCDONALD

Posted by K MCDONALD on April 22, 2002 at 08:14:26:

i am investing for the interest rate returns
but if i get a property or two that would be great as well

Re: Second post, - Posted by Ryan

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Re: Second post, - Posted by Ronald * Starr(in No CA)

Posted by Ronald * Starr(in No CA) on April 28, 2002 at 19:38:08:

Alex--------

Sorry about that. You were right to look in the newsgroup, not the other places. I stated in my response that I had posted it on the main bulletinboard.

I have spent about 1/2 hour looking for it and don’t see it. I think that I was responding to a post which was added a couple of days prior to my response. So, it would have probably been attached to that question. Unfortunately, there are over 300 posts related to “tax liens” on the search function. And they do not seem to be organized by date or poster’s name. After looking for you, I have to give up and do some other work. If you are really interested in finding it, you might try searching with “tax lien” in the archive and trying to find it. You will probably find a lot of other interesting things there to reward the effort.

Good InvestingRon Starr**

Re: Second post, - Posted by Ronald * Starr(in No CA)

Posted by Ronald * Starr(in No CA) on April 22, 2002 at 13:11:03:

K McDonald------------------

I suggest that you aim for one or the other. Yes, it might be possible to occasionally get a property if you go for the interest rate return. Maybe one in 300 certificates might turn into a property ownership if you are not selecting specifically to get properties. So, I suggest that you follow John Beck’s suggestions for selecting the certificates that are most likely to get paid off so you can get your interest rate return.

If you aim to get properties, that is an entirely different profile for certificates that are likely to lead to a deed. Much more work than the interest rate ones.

Good Investing*****************Ron Starr****************

Re: Second post, - Posted by K MCDONALD

Posted by K MCDONALD on April 22, 2002 at 14:54:00:

i have been following the john beck free and clear
the one problem i keep coming across is some of the counties just dont respond when i email or write
asking for information concerning the tax sale