Posted by Sean on December 29, 2003 at 23:58:38:
Oh I agree carpeting can be expensive, (too expensive in my book)…
Boggles my mind that manufacturers sell the stuff for 60 to 70 cents a sq ft for low/medium grade, and best I can find it installed with medium pad is about 12.50 or something a yard.
Of course if the house has relatively nice hard wood floors, which the vast majority of homes I work with tend to have (lots of older homes around these parts 70-100+ years old, predate by far wall to wall, so often if you rip out the nasty carpet (if it has been carpeted) you will very likely find decent hardwood underneath… unless they have allowed a pet or other issue to stain/ruin them).
Carpets definately help sell a retail house, (unless the hardwood is immaculate, or parque) but as I said before, if sweat equity, giving them a deal, wall to wall isn’t as big of a deal to them. In newer overpriced largely crap homes, you really don’t have a choice, when the only thing under the carpet and pad is plywood or OSB you really don’t have much choice but to recarpet or put down floating floor or hardwood… in the old gems though, you can be a bit more flexible.
Also keep in mind just because I take 2000 of their 2500 they have at the time they close, doesn’t mean they don’t have money in their monthly budget to afford more work in the 60-90 days or whatever I give them. IE they may make 3-4k a month net, their rent + utilities may be 1000-1200, other misc may add up to another grand… but that still leaves 1-2k for them to put toward repairs… and also, the neighborhood this is in is definately more blue collar, so they may know someone, or be related to someone, who works as a carpet installer by trade so for them it truly is a straight cost… etc.
As I said these are my first two that I am doing this way, and so far so good, but darned if I am not getting more action and interest on these than I have had on immaculately finished products. I hadn’t done any marketing for these homes in the least, other than putting them on my web site as possible sweat equity deals and I am getting as many if not more calls on these 2 than I have been getting on the ones I have completed and are actively marketing… Now obviously this approach won’t work with all properties, but for a 5-10k rehab where you are talking most of the work being painting and finish work (cabinetry, updates etc) but no real major issues… I definately will be keeping this option open in my arsenal provided these go well.
Moving the completed product has been more of an issue for us so far than anything, so having someone in the property who we know we can get some sort of financing lined up before we even close on the property ourselves is definately a HUGE plus. And frankly the profit margin doing it this way is larger than if we rehabbed and retailed it ourselves… so more money, doing less actual work ourselves, definately has advantages.
Haven’t been to Weirton in a while, don’t get there often. But I’d be more than happy to get together for a drink and swap experiences next time you are this way.