How big can Ira investments be? - Posted by Matt

Posted by daveh on January 14, 2003 at 07:15:20:

It’s fairly easy – just closed one in November.

  1. Advertise – I like bandit signs.
  2. When a MOTIVATED seller calls, perform all your due diligence on the house.
  3. If it’s really a good deal get a purcahse agreement, lease option or straight option on the house. Normally you need to put down some earnest money or option consideration to bind the contract. I fax my IRA custodian a request for say $100 made out to the seller, realtor or title company and use this as the earnest money.
  4. I then go out and look for a retail buyer (hopefully I know someone before I even sign the contract).
  5. I then assign the contract to my retail buyer for a fee OR in my case I perform a simultaneous closing where I purchase the property and immediately resell on land contract to the buyer. I make a lot more money when I sell on land contract because I can charge more and collect 11% interest to boot.

In either case all the money needs to come from and be returned to the IRA – you don’t pocket any of it until you retire.

Also keep in mind I work with junker house in the $4000 to $20,000 range (my initial purchase price). Depending on the house, I typically resell on L/C to investors for 25% to 100% more than my initial purchase.

Don’t like junker neighborhoods? This will work just as well in pretty neighborhoods on sandwich lease options you can tie up for a few thousand dollars option money.

How big can Ira investments be? - Posted by Matt

Posted by Matt on January 10, 2003 at 02:39:17:

In regards to all the great ideas about buying and selling options tax free in a Roth Ira, my questions is how big can those investments be?

Are they limited to apartment complexes, mobile home parks, homes, mobile homes, etc? Could you get an option on a shopping center or mall, and sell it tax free in the Roth? If so, what about a skyscraper or a football stadium?

Thanks for any help you can give, the idea of the lease option from Ernest Tew seems so powerful in the tax sense I am just wonderng how far you can take it? Thanks again, Matt

Re: How big can Ira investments be? - Posted by daveh

Posted by daveh on January 10, 2003 at 07:12:07:

I’ve done several IRA deals with my IRA. They have ranged from a few thousand $ to $35,000. All have been single family homes. However, everything you mention above is also possible.

Just remember, you cannot put down $100 from your IRA and then go out and get a conventional mortgage with you signing for personal liability. Any loans for the balance of the purchase must be non-recourse, i.e., only the property as security – not you personally. So lease options, land contract and subject to’s are all fair game for your IRA.

Personally, I have been buying (or creating) mortgage notes at a discount and buying them with my IRA. Let someone else worry about rehab’s and tenants.

Re: How big can Ira investments be? - Posted by Deb V

Posted by Deb V on January 10, 2003 at 22:56:37:

Hello Dave,
I’m pretty new to re investing, just starting out with assigning contracts. Can you explain how to buy with $100 from an IRA? Also, what do you mean when you say any loans for the balance of the purchse must be non-recourse?
Thanks,
Deb