HOT DEAL! - How Do I Get Around Probate - Posted by Todd

Posted by John Merchant on September 12, 2009 at 11:10:14:

Even if he’d give it to you, won’t do you any good as far as your ability to sell it unless you get clear title.

So what does that require? Only an up-to-date title policy can tell you that so that’s what you need to require of seller.

You could offer to pay for that if you and your lawyer feel the son has enough title to pass it on to you.

POAs(powers of atty)terminate at death of person who gave it so the one the son has even if notarized probably NG now.

Even if the sibling you’re dealing with would swear there was no Last Will, chances are you’ll still need the signatures of the other 2 sibs if the deceased died intestate (no Last Will) & w/o surviving spouse.

Idea: See if son would deed it to you, subject to any debt and with your agreement to do what you can to get it rented.

I’ve taken over some head-ache properties this way w/o any legal obligation at all. The sellers were delghted to just walk away.

HOT DEAL! - How Do I Get Around Probate - Posted by Todd

Posted by Todd on September 11, 2009 at 16:44:42:

I have been contacted by the son of a person who passed back in January. They have a three-unit building in Chicago that has a mortgage balance of $12,000. The property is worth about $170,000 once rehabbed. They are asking for only $55,000 for it. Unfortunately, the son has a power-of-attorney that was never notarized. There are a total of three siblings. How can I buy this property without going through probate?

No Offence to Rick the Probate Guy - Posted by Jimmy the Probate Lawyer

Posted by Jimmy the Probate Lawyer on September 27, 2009 at 07:52:58:

I’m Jimmy the Probate Lawyer (well…us uppity lawyer types like to use the term trust& estate counsel or estate plannig lawyer-----kind of like the proctologists now calling themselves gastroenterologists)…of course, the procto’s have better jokes----“they save the world, one a$$hole at a time”

here’s the deal.the fact that the POA was not notarized is absolutely irrelevant now. the legal effectiveness of POA’s dies with the principal of the POA (e.g., the guy who signed the power). whether the un-notarized POA was valid prior to death is a state-by-state question. In CA and TX, where I practice, it would have been invalid.

walk away? no.

keep digging. find out PRECISELY,and I mean PRECISELY who owns the property. The guy acting like he’s in control may have very little to offer you.

Have a friendly title person run a PTR and lien search. that will give you plenty of useful info. that may cause you to walk away.

watch the newspaper and see if an executor (usually now known as Personal Representative) is appointed. That person, and the atty representing him or her, are people you definitely want to know.

If it happens that you are dealing wth the only child of the decedent, and there are no other people in The picture, consider yourself lucky. There may be a will. You’ll know when the petition to open probate is filed. If there’s a will, go down to the courthouse, pay a few dollars for a copy and see what it says. if there is no will, we could have a slam dunk or a really fuc#ed-up mess. It all depends on what relatives are still above ground, or left kids/g-kids above ground. Every state has its own intestacy rules (the ones that apply to no-will cases), and they all differ. I’ve seen huge differences between CA and GA law as it related to living ex-spouses. Ended up costing the ex-wife a few hundred acres of prime peanut farm land…CA seems to have an affinity to exex, whie Georgia says pi$$ in them.

The only person who can legally transfer the property to you is the PR and you aint got one yet. But you can make a deal with the living son that says you will pay him x if you end up acquiring the property. Do not hand money over to this guy without a contract. and I mean a good one written by one of us uppity T & E attys. Tehy will represet YOU and YOUR interests, and keep you from geting ripped off, short-changed. By short-changedm, I mean, you fork over 10K to this grey thinking you ae bying the whole enchilada, when all he owns is halft he enchilada. all he can sell you is what he owns (or will own)

OK RTPG----fill in the cracks for me

How Do I Get Around Probate - Posted by Guy

Posted by Guy on September 13, 2009 at 08:21:32:

Hi Todd, Congratulations on the lead! Probates of real property are very technical. Rick the Probate Guy knows ALL the ins and outs. This has been his exclusive field of expertise for decades. Send a message to the e-mail listed, removing the numeric characters or check the web site www.closeprobate.com