Another question about comps - Posted by Ted

Posted by rdlazo on May 22, 2005 at 24:14:37:

Right KJ.
Know your market and your values first
and look at as many houses as
you can sold and those on the
market the next few months
of your learning period. these
first few months will get you
so exposed and you will be able
to find one or two that you might
like to buy. Work with RE agent
and give him your business when
you find a deal. When he is looking
at new listings, you can ask him
if you can go and these is how you
can see many houses available for sale.
Do the driving so you can do him a
favor of spending for gas and wear
and tear to you car.
Good luck,

RDLAZO

Another question about comps - Posted by Ted

Posted by Ted on May 21, 2005 at 18:35:09:

I’m confused. Just starting out and confused…not a good place to be.

I have searched the archives about getting comps and must have read a thousand posts (well, a hundred at least). Some of them suggest internet sites and say they’re doing very well getting their comps that way.

Others say no, you need to get comps by working with a broker or agent…the websites aren’t accurate or current enough.

As I’m planning on starting out with L/O’s, I’ll need comps on current selling prices (to know what to offer the seller), rental amounts (to know how much rent to charge the tenant-buyer) and projected values a few years down the road so I’ll know what to charge my tenant-buyer say, in two or three years when they actually buy the house.

Can I get these figures on the websites? If so, which ones are best? Or do I really need to find a hungry and friendly agent and pay him/her to get these figures for me. How much does one pay for this kind of thing so that I can count on them to really want to work with me?

I’m truly ready to start (even have my cards, phone and voice mail ready to go) but I need answers to these questions.

Thanks for your help…I appreciate it and will also help the newbies when I finally have something to help them with ;-}

Ted

I am in the same boat. - Posted by Parag

Posted by Parag on May 22, 2005 at 21:58:13:

Ted:

I have also encountered agents not wanting to give me comps or I have encountered agents saying they would and not return my calls. Starting out I have not been to savy in the ways.

Right now I am considering getting an account with Real Quest. Or I am thinking I will get in with a real estate company because I do have a license, so I can get my comps.

Parag

Re: Another question about comps - Posted by Atlanta_bob

Posted by Atlanta_bob on May 21, 2005 at 20:56:47:

Hi Ted:

Comparable sales are certainly an important part of any REI decision and, frankly, the best way to get that information is thru a database.

Your local realtor has such a database, so “buddy up” with a realtor and buy them a (sit-down) lunch or dinner. Perhaps you could convince them to e-mail you listings of foreclosed (bank-owned) properties as they are published in the MLS computer. Yep, they can do that. Of course, you might have to buy a house from them, from time-to-time, so they get a commission.

Here in Atlanta, there is a company called Market Data Center that sells compact disks (CD’s) of tax data for all houses located in a particular county (Called: MapMerge). Annual Costs = $300 per county. Well worth the price. This database gives you the Tax Assessed Value for each property and recent sales prices of those houses that have sold recently. Hint: There is a (mathematical) relationship between Tax Assessed Value and the Fair Market Value of houses, at least here in Atlanta.

Finally, I buy houses based on $$ per SqFt, not strictly based on comps. Many subdivisions have a wide array of houses, both in style and in physical size. That 3BR/2BA Ranch on a slab is sitting across the street from a 4BR/2.5BA 2-story with finished basement. I certainly don’t want to compare the SOLD price of that 4BR/2.5BA 2-story when I think about buying that 3BR/2BA Ranch, because I could pay WAY too much for that Ranch if I think it can sell for (anywhere) close to that 4BR/2.5BA 2-story. However, I will buy that Ranch if its cost per SqFt is below the cost per SqFt of that 2-story. Get my picture??

Most websites I’ve visited have very old comparable sales data - - just too dated. Best get more “local data” from your realtor or other databases.

Lastly, drive thru those neighborhoods where you want to invest and pull those property flyers of houses FOR SALE. In a short period of time, you will have a very clear picture of what houses sell for in that subdivision and you will build your own personal database.

Hope this helps.

Atlanta_bob

Re: Another question about comps - Posted by Killer Joe

Posted by Killer Joe on May 21, 2005 at 20:01:42:

Hi Ted,

Here’s a little ‘Comp-101’, and oh my goodness, one more thing to read.

Let’s break a comp down to its most vital function. It allows you to know by ‘Comparables’ what the money is chasing in your area. By that I mean it is an historical look at what people will actually pay for a property that resembles yours.

So when we see exactly what others have paid for such properties we know what the same mentality will value our property at. It is to some degree a measure of what the herd will follow.

By learning your markets through getting to understand the values of the properties, and what the folks who are buying these properties are willing to pay for them, you will in effect possess a mental catalog of values that pertain to your area.

If you spend enough time, and look into enough properties that are on the MLS, for example, you will be able to make a correlation between what a REA has priced the property at, and what the public has priced the property at. The MLS will give you the “Days On Market” (DOM) for any property you are looking at. It will tell you that the price it is listed at as not attracted any money yet if the DOM is past the average for those types of properties.

Some will argue that the property has not sold yet due to poor exposure. That doesn’t matter, if it’s on the MLS it will be liquid at some point, and it hasn’t found that point yet. Perhaps the seller and/or the REA are out of step with the ‘money’ and have ‘comped’ the property but have not ‘priced’ the property.

What I’m getting at is if you do not understand your market from a personal perpective a comp is just an ‘average’, and may in fact be very misleading relative to your property. Most houses are not comodities, but unique structures that change over time. The most obvious exception to this statement would be a tract house that has very little changed about it from the its construction if its in a newer tract. Plain Jane condos and the like also follow this, but this post most relates to SFHs.

This btw, is a contrarian view to what most will tell you, about comps. But let me give you an example of why relying on comps does not always favor your position, and in fact can be cost you money if you don’t know your market, and just rely on what the herd does.

The property I sold last month was a 3/1 that I was told by the REA would sell for $539K due to the fact that all the comps ran from $515K to $537K. I know my market, and I, ME, Yours Truly, had the price set @ $579K because that is what the market would be willing to pay for my property. I sold it in two weeks for $574, because that was ‘good enough’.

So my message to you is this…when you sit down with a REA, (and you can find ones that are new and helpful to young investors), watch how they determine comps for you. They will most likely tell you that your 3/2 is worth the same as all the other 3/2s, because that’s they way they see it. They are part of the herd. Don’t you be part of the herd, go out and take the time to learn your market so you will know intuitively what the money chases in your area.

I hope this helps, now let’s sit back and watch the fireworks.

KJ

Re: I am in the same boat. - Posted by Stan

Posted by Stan on May 23, 2005 at 15:46:59:

I don’t understand why you have not gotten any comps from agents if you had signed a buyer’s agreement. If you are ready to buy from them, they should be ready to do business with you.