100% office deal - Posted by Roger

Posted by ray@lcorn on December 06, 2003 at 14:12:45:

Roger,

What you’re looking for does likely exist, but you have to be aware of what circumstances have to be in place to make the deal work for you, the seller and the lender.

You also have to be aware that you are not the only buyer out there. We’re in a market which, in spite of lousy fundamentals, continues to trade at valuations unheard of just a few years ago. The reasons for that are too numerous to go into here, but the result is that there is a lot of money chasing the few good deals out there. That means marginal deals are getting even more attention than they deserve. So many deals have sold in the past two years that most of the experienced players realize that we’re getting down to the deals culled for good reasons. Turnarounds, short leases, functional obsolescence, locationally challenged… those are the deals that can be bought on the terms you are describing.

More than likely a deal like that will not be a candidate for a new bank loan, especially one with an 80/20/0 structure for a borrower with no experience and little capital. Even 80/10/10 is usually viable only when the borrower has a track record and adequate reserves to carry any negative cash flow. So unless you are willing to put up substantial equity or have significant net worth you are willing to pledge as additional collateral, I doubt seriously that a local bank is going to come to the table on a pure real estate loan basis. However you may have some other options. (see below)

A more realistic scenario is to find a property with a “don’t wanter” motivated seller, assume the existing financing, and combine some cash and some carry to meet both yours and the seller’s immediate needs.

Remember the first rule of dealmaking: No one; not the seller, the buyer, the lender, or even the lawyer closing the deal; will sit down at a closing table unless they think they will be somehow better off when they get up from the table.

That’s why we harp on finding problem properties and crafting solutions for the sellers. If you want to get into a property for less than the market requirements of capital and experience, then you are going to have to bring something else to the table in order to make that seller feel he is going to be better off when he gets up.

Ask yourself “what problem is the seller dealing with that you can help with?” If the leases are below market, short term and vacancies are above market, then it is likely the building has a negative cash flow. If you aren’t willing to deal with that or have the ability to correct it better than the present owner, then why would he want to hand you the building? If you want to make a bargain purchase on easy terms, then you are likely going to have to take it as-is where-is, along with some pretty glaring blemishes. I’m not being critical of you personally here… just trying to make a point that you can’t have it all… be realistic about the counter-party’s needs and how to find the mutual level of benefit between you.

Think in terms of solving problems… therein lies opportunity in every market. But first you have to find the problems. Watch for foreclosure sales… that’s a great way to get a building at a discount. Get active in the market and look at everything that is being offered for sale. While you’re looking at one building ask about the building next door that isn’t for sale… yet. Ask lots of questions. You’re looking for problems, and most people have a boatload. Be alert for those buildings with owners that have living problems… old age, divorce, death… people’s circumstances change all the time, and they have to make hard decisions regarding their assets. Distressed sellers like that are looking for a way to avoid the worst case of an auction in a down market… anything above that has to look better. Take out a three line classified ad for a week or two just to see what happens. Then get ready to solve some problems… yours and their’s!

Use what you have to work with to get where you want to go. As a surveyor you should come in contact with all sorts of people doing something with real estate. Use your contacts in the business to network, get the word out you’re looking to buy.

In the meantime, you should be talking with a bank about your desire to relocate your business into owned space. That is something they are generally very interested in helping with. Owner occupied buildings have less risk than non-owner occupied, and it may be that they would be willing to extend more liberal terms than for a typical real esate loan. You may qualify for an SBA loan guarantee program. However you need to be doing the footwork for that relationship now, before you put a building under contract. Interview several banks and find the one that sounds most in tune with your needs. Not every bank is the right bank for every borrower. It is a personal fit, and it is your obligation to do your homework to find the right bank for you. If you don’t have a business plan, do one. Get your financial house in order so you will be ready to supply documentation when asked for. You have to start from where you are to get where you want to go, but the operative word there is “start”.

So yes, buying an office building at the bottom of a depressed market (though determining just where the bottom is can be tricky) could possibly yield a great deal on a relative dollar basis. But in order to realize the great deal you have to still be the owner when the market turns. That means you have to have the staying power and market savvy to succeed. Be sure you evaluate the worst case scenario, and can deal with it. Think the deal all the way through, lest you end up being the next “don’t wanter” seller.

ray

100% office deal - Posted by Roger

Posted by Roger on December 03, 2003 at 18:19:37:

From the Denver area- currently a 17.5% vacancy rate per the papers. Trying to find an office building (multi-tenant) for a low price. Figure there may be some deals out there as rates are dropping. Is it possible to get a bank to loan full amount (if I can get seller down to 80%)? Trying to get a no money down, if possible.

Also; how best to value building? One I"m looking at tomorrow is 90% leased; but several of the tenants are paying low (almost 1/2 price) rents. Haven’t seen the leases to know if they can be bumped up soon or not. Should I plan on having 30% more than debt service in existing leases to cover rehab and repairs?

Thanks.

Re: 100% office deal - Posted by cam

Posted by cam on December 04, 2003 at 10:02:49:

Banks will generally lend 75-80% of the lesser of fair market value or appraisal.

DSC ratio should be 1.20 or higher post renovations.

Check with your local banks to find out exactly what their criteria is.

Re: 100% office deal - Posted by Roger

Posted by Roger on December 04, 2003 at 10:19:19:

DSC? Debt service to cost? Also, if bank loans 80%, owner carries 10%; and cost is 90%, is the 1.2 ratio (after renovations) still used, or should I plan on 100% value for debt service and ratio?

Thanks!

It’s Not That Simple - Posted by Les

Posted by Les on December 04, 2003 at 11:54:35:

Roger,

My thoughts are:

– DSC (debt service coverage ratio) is the ratio of the debt service and NOI (net operating income). I typically find that 1.25 is the norm for an office building, and this would apply to both the 1st and 2nd. NOI will often limit how much debt a property can support.

– As previously stated, lenders will use the lower of appraised value and purchase price when determining their loan amount, thus preventing you from getting the cash benefit of the below market purchase. In most cases you’ll need at least 10% in the deal.

– In addition the the downpayment, you’ll need funds for closing costs, possibly a reserve for repairs, plus show that you have assets and net worth in reserve.

– Even though the property is currently 90% occupied, a lender will look at the local market and may discount the income accordingly.

– Increasing rents, if you can, may drive your occupancy down closer to the market average.

– Office buildings also have TILC costs (tenant improvement and leasing costs) associated with rollovers, and lenders will apply renewal and rollover rates, to develop a DSCR Threshold Analysis for the term of the loan.

– If you’re not familiar with these terms than you probably need help. Of course, you’ll first have to clear the funding obstacle.

Re: It’s Not That Simple - Posted by Roger

Posted by Roger on December 04, 2003 at 21:11:27:

Thank you for the response. I had read Ray say that he had done some zero down deals, which is my preference. My objective is cash flow; and the hope is that in this declining market I can find a deal that allows me to buy in with little money (lawyers, title company, etc.) But one thing for certain; I’m not interested in bad deals. The one mentioned above? 35% of the building is in MTM leases; first response to them is can they get 2-3 year leases signed; not interested in 1/2 empty building.

Thank you for your detailed explanation; I’m sure it was helpful to more than me.

Re: It’s Not That Simple - Posted by ray@lcorn

Posted by ray@lcorn on December 05, 2003 at 12:14:05:

Roger,

I have done deals with very little money out of pocket. But as with all techniques, there are circumstances that must be met before the strategy can be used successfully. Usually the deal has a development component, maybe it’s a turnaround, or has an accomodating and patient seller and/or other extenuating circumstances.

When I write of these deals I am always careful to stress that it is not a “one-size’fits-all” proposition. In fact in many cases such a deal should come with a warning to not try this at home. Read my article aboiut 100% financing in the How-To Articles section of the website. The direct URL is http://www.creonline.com/articles/art-203.html

Buying into a depressed market can be very profitable, but only if you have adequate reserves to hang on until the market strengthens. Due diligence is a must, but even more important are the connections and contacts to be first in the market to contact those that will need space as the economy turns. There is no substitute for local market knowledge.

Please be careful.

ray

Re: It’s Not That Simple - Posted by Roger

Posted by Roger on December 06, 2003 at 11:32:03:

Sounds like I’m getting some advice that what I’m looking for doesn’t exist. I want a building with leases in place for the next 2-3 years that will cover the 1.3 ratio (and try to build up the reserve), knowing that I won’t have cash flow to speak of until I get the owner-carry paid off. My gamble here is that the market will improve by that time, so that I can start raising rents.

If that scenario is the once-in-a-lifetime rarely-happens thing, any suggestions? Should I try to organize a pool of investors to pony up a down payment and cash reserves? Look for outside investors and be the general manager?

Since the end-result is owning my office space (and I only need 500 sq. ft. for my 10 yr. old land surveying firm), any other suggestions on how to best accomplish this? Thanks again.