100% financing anyone? - Posted by Mark

Posted by Jimmy on December 18, 2002 at 20:06:41:

if you do the numbers, you will find that an 80% loan is your best bet, with a standard 20% cash down payment. But after a few deals, you, like me, may find you cash position a little light.

at that point, you will look for 90% financing on the next couple of deals. and the financing is still pretty good, except for the PMI.

and then, maybe 95%, if the cash flow is rich enough.

and soon after, another deal finds you, but cash is really tight. and the seller is not interested in taking back paper, but the deal is still a good one. that’s when a person with super credit may want to consider the 100% third party financing. and yes, 100% financing is a little scary, and the money is more expensive (mine was an effective rate of 9%, not 12%).

but don’t stop there. for a variety of reasons, that alternative may not be available. now we look for a seller who will take back some paper. and, if arranged properly, the seller will be cashed out of their position soon after the deal is consummated. but doing this requires an artificially inflated purchase price. Does this make is a bad deal? No. But it should not be the first choice.

and every deal should be carefully examined for debt coverage issues. if a deal is positive by a factor of 2.5 to 1, like the ones I do in small town Texas, 100% financing is not a problem.

and when none of these options are available, and the deal is available, find a partner. Part of something is better than all of nothing.

Bottom Line: “Always” and “Never” should be eliminated from your lexicon. Borrowing at 9% or 10% is OK is the cap rate embedded in the deal is 14%. But you have to know your deal and know your market. Traditional fianicng is your first choice, because the cost of borrowing is lowest. As you work you way down the prioritized lsit of financing options, you wil also be raising the bar for the deal. A lot of deals can handle traditional 80% financing. Fewer deals can tolerate 100% financing. Know this in advance.

100% financing anyone? - Posted by Mark

Posted by Mark on December 17, 2002 at 16:23:02:

Has anyone had luck getting 100% LTV on Non-owner occupied loans?

Re: 100% financing anyone? - Posted by dolphin

Posted by dolphin on December 18, 2002 at 21:40:14:

I’m pretty new to investing in real estate…anyone have info to find hard money loans in Arizona???

Re: 100% financing anyone? - Posted by Matthew

Posted by Matthew on December 18, 2002 at 12:24:01:

Mark-
in my opinion 100% financing is not the way to go, if youn do the numbers and you ahve decent credit a straight 90% loan at 7.5% with a seller carryback won’t eat up as much cash flow or expenses.check the numbers. at such high financing positions your cash flow generally just covers the mortgage NOT expenses such as repairs or incidentals not to mention HIGH interest 12%! ouch its not smart money management. i guarantee you out of 10 investors with 100% financing, seven owners sell or get foreclosed on their property in the first 3 years- not to be negative but what do you expect when you have a mortgage and a tenant with nothing to show for it except the BILL!!
Things are going to change real soon- watch.I’ve been around.
Best regards

Re: 100% financing anyone? - Posted by Jimmy

Posted by Jimmy on December 17, 2002 at 22:27:50:

I got a 4-plex financed 100% by SIB Mortgage. I used a mortgage broker out of Scottsdale to do it ( Pacific Capital).

must be 680 or higher.

must have good supply of seasoned cash as a reserve.

must be able to endure a brutal underwriting process.

must be very patient. mine took 67 days to close.

the terms weren’t as horrible as you might think.

80% 1st loan at 7.65%, 30 yr fixed.
20% 2nd loan at 12.5%. 30 yr amort/15 yr balloon.
no PPP
no PMI
2 points
$1000 in junk fees
2 appraisals
survey

don’t try to roll your closing costs into the offer with a seller give-back. the lender will reject it.

good luck.

Re: 100% financing anyone? - Posted by James Strange

Posted by James Strange on December 17, 2002 at 17:44:52:

It is out there, but you will get a better rate with an 80/20 loan.

Going 100% on a NOO bumps the rate quite a bit.