Re: 2 dozens contracts . . . come on! - Posted by Robin
Posted by Robin on July 02, 2001 at 22:50:07:
First off I’ll assume that you are neither a Joe Kaiser groupie nor a Joe Kaiser hater. My email seems pretty evenly split between the two. Right now those who dislike J. Kaiser have a slight edge. People who dislike tend to be more rabid and motivated. So I would have to draw the conclusion that more people here like Joe than hate him. Be that as it may, I haven?t exactly gotten a warm fuzzy feeling from my interaction with him.
Now, as to your first series of statements/questions;
"(This person got upset with you for wanting to share information about your deal on this board?)"
Upset is too strong of a word. He doesn?t, however, want me making a broadcast of things he has shown me.
"(That’s what we do here!)"
I thought so and that?s why I asked the questions. However it does not seem that ?WE? really do this here. Only Travis made a stab at answering my question.
"(Why would you post at all if you don’t want to share the details?)"
Fair enough, I would share the details, but some of the information is not really mine to share. Further more, given the way I have been attacked, I am even less inclined to share.
On to the next paragraph,
"(The guy who posted “Come on!” was Joe Kaiser. Joe is someone who shares plenty of ideas with everyone here. I can’t remember him telling anyone not to tell anyone else about how he helped them)“
Like I said, I don?t know Joey except from his replies to me and the bountiful email I have received about him. It seems that more than one person knows of a ?private? Joe Kaiser web site. Where it seems that one of the conditions of membership (besides a ton of money) is confidentiality, because Joe figures that there is no reason to let the competition know what he is doing. Even though you can?t remember Joe telling people not to share it does certainly seem that other people do.
”(I am the same way. I like to share the details of how I do deals in order to help other people.)"
I for one think that is great and salute you for it.
Now to the end;
"(Is there a possibility of this “investor” who is “helping” you doing something shady? Is he trying to make sure that you don’t find out that he is doing something unethical by posting about it here and getting a response from others?)“
Again a good point and one that had crossed my mind. Frankly, I was convinced he was trying to ?take me?, but he wouldn?t go away. So finally I told him OK, BUT I am calling my lawyer. He said fine, gave me lots of material to show my lawyer and said to have him call anytime. That shocked me because when I asked for references he wouldn?t give me any. He just flat said, ?I don?t do that.?
My lawyer said it all was well and he even seemed impressed. But he toldl me not to go to closing in case Michael tries to pull something at the last minute, instead my lawyer would go for me… Well I am going, but I?ll have my lawyer at my side.
”(Or is he so convinced that he has figured out the only and best way to do real estate deals and is afraid if someone finds out about it, he won’t be able to do deals any more?)“
You are probably pretty close on this one. Of course I can?t speak for him and it is worded as a no-win question. Many companies and individuals keep their business practices and methods private. There is nothing wrong with that.
”(This sounds awfully weird to me, but then again, the world is FULL of people who think that there isn’t enough to go around (money, deals, etc.) and think that sharing ideas is bad.)"
Well so be it. But he did say he would talk to investors, when he has time and on their nickel. Could it be that you are maybe just a little bit upset that he won?t play by your rules?
Take care – Robin