Any experts out there on tax lien foreclosures? - Posted by Todd

Re: tax sales… - Posted by lukeNC

Posted by lukeNC on October 09, 2005 at 19:35:35:

the tax sale redemption can be longer than 10 days you are correct about that. Its technically still called the redemption period.

deed of trust fcl is exactly 10 days after the final bid. (may change due to holidays), the borrower has to file bk during the 10 day period or redeem during this period. Filing bankruptcy after the 10 day period but before the filing of a trustee’s deed doesnt affect the foreclosure. The upset period and the redemption period are exactly the same.

You’re probably talking about thinking you won a final bid on a deed of trust foreclosure only to find that the borrower filed bankruptcy. That notice of bankruptcy sometimes doesnt get to the trustee until weeks later! This has happenned several times to me also.

Re: So much for the “regulars” - Posted by Gerald(NC)

Posted by Gerald(NC) on October 06, 2005 at 09:17:52:

Disclosure: Currently a RE license student.

There IS a 10 day redemption period in the state of NC.

“As usual the 'regulars” offer advice upon which they know nothing about."

Apparently you’re correct! … on that statement anyway.

EquityHunter Has Egg On Face! - Posted by Larry the Cable Guy

Posted by Larry the Cable Guy on October 05, 2005 at 14:18:12:

Now that’s funny…I don’t care who you are!

uh… - Posted by lukeNC

Posted by lukeNC on October 05, 2005 at 08:14:51:

Last time I bought a property at tax sale was about 2 weeks ago. I bought 13 empty lots in cleveland county.

there is a 10 day redemption period in NC for all judicial and non-judicial sales. During these 10 days the owner can redeem the property or someone else can place an upset bid…

Re: Wrong Luke!!! NO in NC. - Posted by Jack

Posted by Jack on October 04, 2005 at 23:51:10:

The only State Luke specifically mentioned in his post was SC. Which despite political pressure, is still independent of NC.

Re: tax sales… - Posted by domineaux_TX

Posted by domineaux_TX on October 09, 2005 at 11:37:12:

Tax Sales are like fishing in the Mississippi. You can’t see into the water, and you’ll never know what you’ll catch. LOL

Tax Sales can come back and bite you like no other RE investing practice.

There is gold in the hills, but in the same context the Gold is just as hard to find and acquire at tax sales as it is for real…finding gold.

I’d suggest tax sales as a casual alternative for making investment property purchases. You can find many other much better “make money now deals on property” than tax properties.

The Basic reason - No one is fool enough to let a property go at a tax sale auction. There are too many options for getting the taxes paid before throwing in the towel. You can borrow money from all kinds of sources including family members to keep a property before it is lost to a tax sale auction.

You’ll rarely have a shot at bidding on a property with any “current resale for profit” without making further investment. Tax sale properties are for the most part troubled or crisis properties and usually vacant land.

You need to very carefully research all documents and filings on tax sale properties before bidding. You should “absolutely NEVER bid on tax properties unseen or NOT researched carefully”.

Texas uses a judicial foreclousure process for tax sale properties, which is one of the cleanest states for acquiring tax sale properties, IMO. I’ve had local jurisdictions and governments make claims against tax properties when they had no legal right to make the claims. I still had to pay an attorney and deal with the bureacratic shuffle. Title companies will demand complete satisfaction of liens and encumbrances…and it’s a rare buyer that will accept a property without a title policy.

One other big problem at tax sales is the complete ignorance of so many bidders. They will bid properties up thinking they’re making a “done deal”. You’d better do your research or you can be effectively motivated by the bidding process to pay an absolutely stupid amount of money for a property.

The expression…Caveat Emptor is critical to remember when you plunk down your hard earned cash at tax sales.

I love tax sales, because I’ve learned just about a co-zillion things from experience after 10+ years of making tax sale auctions. It’s always fun to buy a bargain “that’s a big win”, but honestly it’s usually not without working through problems on every property purchase made.

Re: Everyone has an opinion. - Posted by KPC

Posted by KPC on October 10, 2005 at 10:09:09:

or did you mean my last deal involving delinquent property taxes? My last “deals” involved me getting my money and interest back. Which was ok. I have only achieved ownership of one property doing back taxes. Still have it as a rental. I have one coming due in the spring which, if I actually get it, will probably make me as happy as I’ve ever been. Or, I’ll get my money back and interest.

Re: Everyone has an opinion. - Posted by KPC

Posted by KPC on October 10, 2005 at 09:59:18:

Funny you should ask, just ran the figures last night. Netted 32K, (before taxes),fixed up and sold a HUD repo. That was our first “flip”, we usually hold for rentals.

It’s NOT Redemption. - Posted by EquityHunter

Posted by EquityHunter on October 07, 2005 at 18:56:27:

See my post to LukeNC or SC. Don’t know if he knows where he is from.

Where are you from? - Posted by EquityHunter

Posted by EquityHunter on October 07, 2005 at 18:47:05:

As was brought to my attention your original post said “your state of SC” which is it Luke? NC or SC? Where are you from?

If it’s NC you are wrong. There is nothing in the law that says the owner has the right to “redeem”, your word, after the tax sale. Here’s the law. Read and learn.

North Carolina tax sales of real estate that is security for delinquent real property
taxes are by public oral bid foreclosure auction to the highest bidder and are conducted by a
court appointed commissioner. The sales are held at the courthouse door on any day of the
week except a Sunday or legal holiday; however, if the taxing unit bringing the foreclosure
action is a municipality that is not a county seat, the court may, in its discretion, direct that
the sale be held at the city or town hall door. The commissioner must report the results of the
foreclosure sale to the court (being the appropriate division of the General Court of Justice)
within three days following the sale. At any time within ten (10) days after the commissioner
files his report of the foreclosure sale with the court, any person having an interest in the real
property may file exceptions to the report and

any person wishing to do so may file an
increased bid (termed an ?upset bid?) for an amount exceeding the reported sale price by ten
percent (10%) of the first $1.000.00 thereof plus five percent (5%) of any excess above
$1,000.00, but in any event with a minimum increase of $25.00.

At any time after the expiration of ten (10) days from the time the commissioner files his/her report, if no exception or increased bid has been filed, the commissioner may apply for judgment of
confirmation, and in like manner he may apply for such a judgment after the court has passed
upon exceptions filed, or, if an upset bid has been made, after any necessary ?resales? have
been held and reported and ten (10) days have elapsed. The judgment of confirmation shall
direct the commissioner to deliver the deed upon payment of the purchase price.

There is no way for the owner to “redeem” unless he becomes just another bidder. The distinction is very important unless you are an “expert”.

You’re right. - Posted by EquityHunter

Posted by EquityHunter on October 07, 2005 at 18:29:55:

LukeNC does not equal “my state of SC”. Wonder why? Interesting. What does the “Nc” stand for? Non competent? or North Carolina?

I Like Tax Sales Too! - Posted by JS (TX)

Posted by JS (TX) on October 10, 2005 at 14:37:11:

Domineaux, (Love your name, by the way!)

I’ve done Texas Tax sales as well. Most times you go home empty-handed, and sometimes you get a big winner.

And it’s always fun chasing down the leads and checking out the properties coming up for auction. I always feel like some kind of over-sexed guy in a harem when I see all the potential deals there. Alas, most of them get paid at the last minute and are pulled from the auction list. But some are not.

Usually, the ones that go up for auction are abandoned. Some for good reason. Others used to belong to someone who died without leaving any heirs. Nobody will redeem these. I’ve struck gold with these.

Let me tell you about one piece of vacant land in Wise County that I bought about three years ago. The final cost for the tax deed was $8,756.23 for 109 acres of scruffy pasture. I planned on subdividing it and selling it to people in the city who wanted to get out of town on their own mini-ranchette. Trendy, no?

Since it was ag property, the redemtion period was two years. I thought I would lease out the grazing rights until the redemption period ran out.

Well guess what…I found an out of town heir who had the right to sell me the interest in the property. I had some legal expenses with the estate, which I paid, and I paid him some money for a deed to the property just to avoid a possible redemption later, and to end the wait on the redemption period. Basically, I redemmed the property myself.

The deed also transferred the mineral rights to me. It’s on the Barnett Shale formation. I sold a drilling lease for $56,000 to explore for gas and oil on the property. They found gas. A lot of gas. Now the royalty checks are coming in.

This is my best investment ever!

What a tool. - Posted by Tom(MI)

Posted by Tom(MI) on October 08, 2005 at 16:01:11:

You are such a tool. Seems to me you need to stop acting like you are an expert in everything.

“Some redemption periods are like 10 days, such as our state, some are 1 year like in SC”

Luke never said he was from SC. It is pretty clear to me that he said his state has 10 days to redeem but SC has 1 year.

The only “Non Competent” seems to be you.

Sorry to do this to ya but… - Posted by lukeNC

Posted by lukeNC on October 07, 2005 at 20:59:42:

You apparently didnt go to the source, so here ya go:

NCGS 105-374, check sections (e) and (i).

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_105/GS_105-374.html

Here’s an excerpt from section (e):
In case of redemption before confirmation of the foreclosure sale, the person redeeming shall be required to pay, before the foreclosure action is discontinued, at least all taxes on the real property which have at the time of discontinuance become due to the plaintiff unit, plus penalties, interest, and costs thereon.

And here’s an excerpt from section (i):
In any foreclosure action in which real property is actually sold after judgment, costs shall include a commissioner’s fee to be fixed by the court, not exceeding five percent (5%) of the purchase price; and in case of redemption between the date of sale and the order of confirmation, the fee shall be added to the amount otherwise necessary for redemption.

So, If i pay all costs associated with this sale, even after the sale but BEFORE confirmation of the sale by the court, i have redeemed the property.

Any questions?

What a wedge. - Posted by EquityHunter

Posted by EquityHunter on October 08, 2005 at 17:15:36:

I don’t care where he is from but he mentioned a ten day redemption period in “SC”. Read the post then jump to conclusions. BTW where are you from?

Hey and keep the hate mail comin. I have it for breakfast.

That’s true for NC - Posted by EquityHunter

Posted by EquityHunter on October 08, 2005 at 17:11:19:

But you said in your state of “SC” there was a 10 day redemption period after the tax lien foreclosure sale. I knew that was wrong. In your next post you said you were speaking of NC? So which is “your” state? Seeing as how “n” and “s” aren’t even close on the keyboard.

BTW, where are you from? NC or SC?

You Seriously Need To Get A Life - Posted by Chillin’ in CA

Posted by Chillin’ in CA on October 08, 2005 at 18:45:27:

Dude, you may be a great guy in real life, but you don’t come across so well on this board.

What’s the deal? Do you get off on hate or something?

Why all the anger? Man, the hostility vibes are gonna wreck you.

Loosen it up a bit. You’ll like it!

Peace, Dude!

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Re: That’s true for NC - Posted by Tom(MI)

Posted by Tom(MI) on October 08, 2005 at 22:56:37:

Wrong Luke!!! NO Tax Redemption Period In NC.

This was the title of your post. Why would you state that in the title if you were talking about South Carolina. Keep backtracking. You are making yourself look more and more foolish with every post. You might want to change your name and start from scratch.

I am from Michigan. That is why I didn’t make myself look like a tool and pretended to be a expert on North Carolina law.

Re: That’s true for NC - Posted by lukeNC

Posted by lukeNC on October 08, 2005 at 20:20:04:

Nope, I said there was a 10 day redemption period in NC, and a 1 year redemption period in SC. My homestate is NC. I also work SC.

You said I was wrong about the redemption period in NC. But, I was correct.

Your post’s title says Wrong in NC, there is no redemption.

I proved you to be incorrect.